IDF ground invasion of Gaza( Israel killed 2,700+ Palestinians) (Hamas is victorious)

[Futuristic Eskimo]

I value my life more than yours. Americans value their lives over those of lets say Iraqis. Its self interest. Its self preservation. The people in Palestine and Iraq surely value their lives far more than they value yours. I get your point through a humanitarian concept but this is reality and people fight for power. Did you feel worse on 9/11 or when 700 Syrians were killed in two days? I'd bet 9/11 affected you far more than whats going on in Syria.

No, I personally dont give a fukk about anyone that dies if it doesn't affect me. I think people that say they do are lying to make themselves feel better. I just find your value-based argument ridiculous. If you're trying to justify all this action morally, then you have to logically conclude that some people are worth more than others. If you do, you run into other moral issues. It isn't consistent.

 

[Truth200]

Americans value their lives over those of lets say Iraqis. Its self interest. Its self preservation. The people in Palestine and Iraq surely value their lives far more than they value yours. I get your point through a humanitarian concept but this is reality and people fight for power. Did you feel worse on 9/11 or when 700 Syrians were killed in two days? I'd bet 9/11 affected you far more than whats going on in Syria.

Personally i know a guy i went to school with who died in the towers and a friend who died in the Pentagon.

I don't know for sure who did 9/11 , it can't compare to the slaughter in Gaza because we do know who is doing the killing there.

 

[ill]

No, I personally dont give a fukk about anyone that dies if it doesn't affect me. I think people that say they do are lying to make themselves feel better. I just find your value-based argument ridiculous. If you're trying to justify all this action morally, then you have to logically conclude that some people are worth more than others. If you do, you run into other moral issues. It isn't consistent.

I'll agree with you on that. Hypocrisy and double standards can be alright in the real world. Depends on your end game. Sometimes I'll value lives equally, sometimes I'll put one over the other. Not everything is black and white.

 

[Futuristic Eskimo]

I'll agree with you on that. Hypocrisy and double standards can be alright in the real world. Depends on your end game. Sometimes I'll value lives equally, sometimes I'll put one over the other. Not everything is black and white.

Then I have to question why you're riding with Israel over the Palestinians in here. As you live in this country and Im assuming you arent Jewish, why value Israelis more than a random person in Gaza? You shouldn't have a hat in the ring that would distort your perception of human value, so why take this position?

 

[Kritic]

Your smarter than the average poster...

that's why they want us silenced.

Spoiler

@cook

hey if 99% of the ppl believe this bullshyt then might as well just get rid of the 1%ers.

 

[Kritic]

Then I have to question why you're riding with Israel over the Palestinians in here. As you live in this country and Im assuming you arent Jewish, why value Israelis more than a random person in Gaza? You shouldn't have a hat in the ring that would distort your perception of human value, so why take this position?

he's russian-american jew. he's alright though.

but as a jew he can't help say stupid shyt..

 

[Futuristic Eskimo]

he's russian-american jew. he's alright though.

but as a jew he can't help say stupid shyt..

If hes Jewish, I can understand why he's riding with his people. At least he admitted he thinks Israeli lives are worth more. Not much to talk about after that, though.

 

[ill]

Then I have to question why you're riding with Israel over the Palestinians in here. As you live in this country and Im assuming you arent Jewish, why value Israelis more than a random person in Gaza? You shouldn't have a hat in the ring that would distort your perception of human value, so why take this position?

I am a non-religious Jew. Have family in Israel but from Russia originally. Palestinians have had many opportunities for peace but instead choose violence. The current blockades are due to the suicide bombings 5/6 years ago. Both parties are responsible for the on-going and past violence but only one side uses terrorist attacks to fight. I side with the civilized. I don't agree with all of Israel's policies (expanding settlements being at the forefront) but its not enough to side with people that openly want all of my people dead. When you teach your kids to hate Jews from the time they enter kindergarden, you cannot have a civilized or peaceful society. Plenty of Arabs live just fine in actual Israel and they don't launch attacks and their quality of life has vastly improved over the decades compared to their Gaza and WB brethren. The "freedom fighters" have an ultimatum of Israel giving up its land which will never happen. Until they get over that, this shyt will never stop.

 

[Truth200]

If hes Jewish, I can understand why he's riding with his people. At least he admitted he thinks Israeli lives are worth more. Not much to talk about after that, though.

I agree you have to just accept his opinion...

 

[Kritic]

I am a non-religious Jew. Have family in Israel but from Russia originally. Palestinians have had many opportunities for peace but instead choose violence. The current blockades are due to the suicide bombings 5/6 years ago. Both parties are responsible for the on-going and past violence but only one side uses terrorist attacks to fight. I side with the civilized. I don't agree with all of Israel's policies (expanding settlements being at the forefront) but its not enough to side with people that openly want all of my people dead. When you teach your kids to hate Jews from the time they enter kindergarden, you cannot have a civilized or peaceful society. Plenty of Arabs live just fine in actual Israel and they don't launch attacks and their quality of life has vastly improved over the decades compared to their Gaza and WB brethren. The "freedom fighters" have an ultimatum of Israel giving up its land which will never happen. Until they get over that, this shyt will never stop.

see there you go with that shyt again..

as long as they are second class citizens they're better off than the ones being bombed. how about leave them independent without interfering with their country/territory and let them rule themselves

its like the way cacs talk to blacks... "you're better off here than in africa" bullshyt..

if you niccas are so smart find some other way of making money that doesn't involve killing ppl or ruling over them. or taking their shyt.

 

[Truth200]

I side with the civilized.

This the most racist statement i ever seen on the coli.

It's a shame you feel that way about people.

Now that i really know how you feel no need to debate with you anymore.

 

[ill]

see there you go with that shyt again..

as long as they are second class citizens they're better off than the ones being bombed. how about leave them independent without interfering with their country/territory and let them rule themselves

its like the way cacs talk to blacks... "you're better off here than in africa" bullshyt..

if you niccas are so smart find some other way of making money that doesn't involve killing ppl or ruling over them. or taking their shyt.

Gaza and West Bank were left independent to rule themselves. West Bank is improving because they have political leaders that gave up their arms. Gaza has militant leaders and keeps getting bombed. Keep doing the same shyt and expecting different results.

 

[ill]

This the most racist statement i ever seen on the coli.

It's a shame you feel that way about people.

Now that i really know how you feel no need to debate with you anymore.

Yawn. Quit projecting your racial insecurities onto me.

 

[Futuristic Eskimo]

I am a non-religious Jew. Have family in Israel but from Russia originally. Palestinians have had many opportunities for peace but instead choose violence. The current blockades are due to the suicide bombings 5/6 years ago. Both parties are responsible for the on-going and past violence but only one side uses terrorist attacks to fight. I side with the civilized. I don't agree with all of Israel's policies (expanding settlements being at the forefront) but its not enough to side with people that openly want all of my people dead. When you teach your kids to hate Jews from the time they enter kindergarden, you cannot have a civilized or peaceful society. Plenty of Arabs live just fine in actual Israel and they don't launch attacks and their quality of life has vastly improved over the decades compared to their Gaza and WB brethren. The "freedom fighters" have an ultimatum of Israel giving up its land which will never happen. Until they get over that, this shyt will never stop.

Basically, "people should know when they're conquered." Obviously both sides are at fault. No argument there. I would be hesitant calling anyone one side terrorists here. The only difference is technological capability. Besides, I see no difference from a suicide vest wearing militant blowing up a bus then a drone missile or artillery strike taking out half a city block. The method might be more personal, but that is out of necessity. People fight with what they have at their disposal. Killing civilians using one method instead of the other isn't anymore civilized than the other. Coming to the table to talk about realistic solutions to the situation is the most civilized thing that can be done. Neither side wants that really, though.

 

[Truth200]

Gaza and West Bank were left independent to rule themselves. West Bank is improving because they have political leaders that gave up their arms. Gaza has militant leaders and keeps getting bombed. Keep doing the same shyt and expecting different results.

By that logic maybe the people doing the bombing in Gaza should give up their arms.

But since that's your people you don't advocate for that.

Hypocrisy.