IDF ground invasion of Gaza( Israel killed 2,700+ Palestinians) (Hamas is victorious)

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If Osama Bin Laden was the only terrorist inside that school and he was just chilling, it would be fully justified in my mind to bomb that school even if there were kids inside.
why are you ppl so bomb happy. when osama was kiled they knew where he was and they snuck in there silently and got him. you just like killng anything and everyone don't you :what:

godamn it nicca :what:

is this a psychological problem :what:
if you think this way imagine how them right wing israelis think :what:
 

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Nobody can oppose AIPAC at this stage in the game. theres a great thread and article recently about AIPAC losing their influence and their conflicts with Obama, but to me it just shows how strong they are. Theyre bossing up to the executive branch who they feel arent right wing enough. That's power
i saw the thread.. glanced the article and it looks like they're just trolling. they're pushing it as much as possible and unfortunately it's working to their favor.
 
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Okay if it is okay to intentionally kill civilians, is it okay to blow up buses in Israel if I have certainty that it'll lead to the end of the blockade? As certain as you are in your hypothetical in that situation that Bin Laden is a terrorist and in the building, lets say I believe with the same conviction that the only way to end the occupation is to kill innocent Israelis, does that also make it okay?

Killing Bin Laden in my situation does not end terrorism just as killing Israelis would not end the blockade. It just gets rid of the head of the organization thats causes so much terror. "Ends justify the means" basically. Yes, its never good to kill civilians, but Bin Laden IS worth more than their lives. None of what I've said is to negate that I would feel bad about the civilian deaths. Thats always tragic but killing the guy thats exponentially raised jihadist Islam to the forefront would be worth it in the grand scheme of things. And that applies to lesser known Hamas terrorists. If their value is higher than the value of those kids, they will be killed.


why are you ppl so bomb happy. when osama was kiled they knew where he was and they snuck in there silently and got him. you just like killng anything and everyone don't you :what:

godamn it nicca :what:

is this a psychological problem :what:
if you think this way imagine how them right wing israelis think :what:

If you don't think bombing the guy responsible for multiple attacks against the US is warranted then I can't help you. The only reasons he wasn't bombed was it was in Pakistan and they would throw a fit (though we do drone strike targets there) and that they needed visual confirmation for capturing literally the worlds most wanted man. Did the US not bomb the shyt out of Afganistan and Pakistan when they thought Bid Laden was there? :usure::usure::usure:
 

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If you don't think bombing the guy responsible for multiple attacks against the US is warranted then I can't help you. The only reasons he wasn't bombed was it was in Pakistan and they would throw a fit (though we do drone strike targets there) and that they needed visual confirmation for capturing literally the worlds most wanted man. Did the US not bomb the shyt out of Afganistan and Pakistan when they thought Bid Laden was there? :usure::usure::usure:
maybe if you repeat enough that obl is responsible for 9/11 you'll convince these guys who started following this shyt yesterday. that shyt won't work on me. you should know that by now i use my own eyes and brain. i don't go anything the zionist media and zionist taken over govt tells me.

like you said they bomb civilians in pakistan so killing a few in the name of obl wouldn't mean shyt.



israel is responsible for 9/11. they got some guys funded by saudi and they did what they did. i'm still waiting for snowden to snitch on them but too bad anything involving israel in the leaks won't get out. the zionists got a hold of snowden shyt and won't leak his shyt. he didn't think about leaking info to an independent source. and if he did they got a hold of the ppl and silencing them right now.
it's too bad he didn't give that shyt to me i'd have shown him the right way to leak shyt.

but your ppl, israel, is responsible for 9/11 :ufdup:. you can pay off some grumpy azz muslims but i know who pulled that shyt.
remember, israeli companies left the building a week before the attack. they got heads up what was coming.

i didn't eat up the doctored vids implicating obl. what the fuq i look like nicca:what:..


but like hitler, you ppl have managed to create this obl character in ppl's head as the ultimate terrorist. the ultimate terrorist is bibi. state sponsored terrorist. don't talk to me about obl. or hitler. i wasn't there to see what he did. i'm here and i'm seeing what this nicca is doing. whoever was responsible for 9/11 is even better than bibi. at least he chose business district. kids though :what:bibi killing kids :to:
i'll never forgive this nicca.

and you saw that interview he did with sean hannity... where he said if you don't help us fight isis, they'll come for you :krs:
translation.. we will cross that mexican border and bring terror over there if you don't come take care of this isis problem we created that's fukkin up oil money were losing on wall street.

so don't give me none of that obl, hamas bullshyt nicca. i'm not the one.
hamas are freedom fighters.

:stopitslime:
 

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maybe if you repeat enough that obl is responsible for 9/11 you'll convince these guys who started following this shyt yesterday. that shyt won't work on me. you should know that by now i use my own eyes and brain. i don't go anything the zionist media and zionist taken over govt tells me.

like you said they bomb civilians in pakistan so killing a few in the name of obl wouldn't mean shyt.



israel is responsible for 9/11. they got some guys funded by saudi and they did what they did. i'm still waiting for snowden to snitch on them but too bad anything involving israel in the leaks won't get out. the zionists got a hold of snowden shyt and won't leak his shyt. he didn't think about leaking info to an independent source. and if he did they got a hold of the ppl and silencing them right now.
it's too bad he didn't give that shyt to me i'd have shown him the right way to leak shyt.

but your ppl, israel, is responsible for 9/11 :ufdup:. you can pay off some grumpy azz muslims but i know who pulled that shyt.
remember, israeli companies left the building a week before the attack. they got heads up what was coming.

i didn't eat up the doctored vids implicating obl. what the fuq i look like nicca:what:..


but like hitler, you ppl have managed to create this obl character in ppl's head as the ultimate terrorist. the ultimate terrorist is bibi. state sponsored terrorist. don't talk to me about obl. or hitler. i wasn't there to see what he did. i'm here and i'm seeing what this nicca is doing. whoever was responsible for 9/11 is even better than bibi. at least he chose business district. kids though :what:bibi killing kids :to:
i'll never forgive this nicca.

and you saw that interview he did with sean hannity... where he said if you don't help us fight isis, they'll come for you :krs:
translation.. we will cross that mexican border and bring terror over there if you don't come take care of this isis problem we created that's fukkin up oil money were losing on wall street.

so don't give me none of that obl, hamas bullshyt nicca. i'm not the one.
hamas are freedom fighters.

:stopitslime:

You know what @Kritic, you're right.

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Killing Bin Laden in my situation does not end terrorism just as killing Israelis would not end the blockade. It just gets rid of the head of the organization thats causes so much terror. "Ends justify the means" basically. Yes, its never good to kill civilians, but Bin Laden IS worth more than their lives. None of what I've said is to negate that I would feel bad about the civilian deaths. Thats always tragic but killing the guy thats exponentially raised jihadist Islam to the forefront would be worth it in the grand scheme of things. And that applies to lesser known Hamas terrorists. If their value is higher than the value of those kids, they will be killed.




If you don't think bombing the guy responsible for multiple attacks against the US is warranted then I can't help you. The only reasons he wasn't bombed was it was in Pakistan and they would throw a fit (though we do drone strike targets there) and that they needed visual confirmation for capturing literally the worlds most wanted man. Did the US not bomb the shyt out of Afganistan and Pakistan when they thought Bid Laden was there? :usure::usure::usure:


How do you feel about this...

http://newsone.com/1205745/cia-osama-bin-laden-al-qaeda/

How The CIA Helped Create Osama Bin Laden

During in the 1970s, when the Russia was the biggest threat to America and radical Islam was not as a concern of the USA’s, the USA began funding and training Islamic militants to fight our Russian enemies in Afghanistan.

These militants, known as the mujahideen would rebel the Russians out of Afghanistan and later become the Taliban, Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood.

One of the most prominent members of he mujahideen was a wealthy son of a Saudi Arabian businessman named Osama Bin Laden.

National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski visited Afganistan in 1979 and met with Bin Laden and even took a picture with him. Brzezinski would tell the mujahideen

We know of their deep belief in God, and we are confident their struggle will succeed. That land over there is yours, you’ll go back to it one day because your fight will prevail, and you’ll have your homes and your mosques back again. Because your cause is right and God is on your side.

The BBC, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation and the Russian journal Demokratizatsiya have all written that the CIA and U.S.A. funded and supported Bin Laden during the Afghan war.

Former British Foreign secretary, Robin Cook said:

Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan.


Several other authors, journalists and statesmen have all made the claim that Bin Laden was funded, armed and trained by the CIA to fight off the Russians.

After Ronald Reagan was elected in 1981, U.S. funding of the mujahideen increased significantly and CIA Paramilitary Officers played a big role in training, arming and sometimes even leading mujahideen forces.

The CIA trained the mujahideen in many of the tactics Al Qaeda is known for today, such as car bombs, assassinations and other acts that would be considered terrorism today.

The U.S.A. would fund Gulbuddin Hekmatyar a mujahideen leader and alleged heroin dealer who worked closely with Bin Laden. Hekmaytyar and his political party/paramilitary group would receive more than $600 million from the USA. Author, Alfred McCoy, would claim that the CIA supported Hekmatyar in his illicit heroin trade to allow him to fund the mujahideen.Like Bin Laden, Hekmatyar has also become an enemy of the U.S., waging a war against coalition forces in Afghanistan after 2001.

America must learn from the foreign policy mistakes of our past. These mistakes have lead to the creation of our enemies, such as Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noreaga, and Osama Bin Laden. The enemy of our enemy is not always our friend, most often they become our enemies too. As America gives aid to rebels in Libya and other countries we must be cautious not to create another Bin Laden.
 
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Killing Bin Laden in my situation does not end terrorism just as killing Israelis would not end the blockade. It just gets rid of the head of the organization thats causes so much terror. "Ends justify the means" basically. Yes, its never good to kill civilians, but Bin Laden IS worth more than their lives. None of what I've said is to negate that I would feel bad about the civilian deaths. Thats always tragic but killing the guy thats exponentially raised jihadist Islam to the forefront would be worth it in the grand scheme of things. And that applies to lesser known Hamas terrorists. If their value is higher than the value of those kids, they will be killed.




If you don't think bombing the guy responsible for multiple attacks against the US is warranted then I can't help you. The only reasons he wasn't bombed was it was in Pakistan and they would throw a fit (though we do drone strike targets there) and that they needed visual confirmation for capturing literally the worlds most wanted man. Did the US not bomb the shyt out of Afganistan and Pakistan when they thought Bid Laden was there? :usure::usure::usure:
And on what value system exactly are you deciding whose life is more valuable? If a Hamas leader responsible for the death of 25 Israelis is in a hospital and you bomb the hospital and kill 30 Palestinian civilians, was the right call made? How about 100 civilians? 200? If youre going to go by this vague value system, then anything can be justified.

From my interpretation of what you are saying, if a terrorist is worth as much as he has killed, it seems as though Palestinian lives are worth much less than any Israeli.
 

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And on what value system exactly are you deciding whose life is more valuable? If a Hamas leader responsible for the death of 25 Israelis is in a hospital and you bomb the hospital and kill 30 Palestinian civilians, was the right call made? How about 100 civilians? 200? If youre going to go by this vague value system, then anything can be justified.

From my interpretation of what you are saying, if a terrorist is worth as much as he has killed, it seems as though Palestinian lives are worth much less than any Israeli.

Its not necessarily about how many lives that person has taken. Osama wasn't the guy flying the plane into the WTC. He wasn't the guy that bombed the USS Cole. He's the mastermind behind it. No direct deaths at his hands but his influence and masterminded terrorism are what gives him enough "value" to justify civilian deaths in order to kill him.

@Truth200 All of that has been known and was known even before 9/11. Just because someone is your friend today does not mean they will be your friend tomorrow.
 

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America must learn from the foreign policy mistakes of our past. These mistakes have lead to the creation of our enemies, such as Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noreaga, and Osama Bin Laden. The enemy of our enemy is not always our friend, most often they become our enemies too. As America gives aid to rebels in Libya and other countries we must be cautious not to create another Bin Laden.
war is great for business. create these boogeymen.. sell them weapons.
now since they have weapons, justify military spending to go take them out. it's not like they have sophisticated weaponry, eventually they'll get got. the longer it takes to take them out the better.

i don't even get these ppl that join al-queda and isis.
 

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Its not necessarily about how many lives that person has taken. Osama wasn't the guy flying the plane into the WTC. He wasn't the guy that bombed the USS Cole. He's the mastermind behind it. No direct deaths at his hands but his influence and masterminded terrorism are what gives him enough "value" to justify civilian deaths in order to kill him.

@Truth200 All of that has been known and was known even before 9/11. Just because someone is your friend today does not mean they will be your friend tomorrow.


How are you certain of him being the mastermind?
 
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Its not necessarily about how many lives that person has taken. Osama wasn't the guy flying the plane into the WTC. He wasn't the guy that bombed the USS Cole. He's the mastermind behind it. No direct deaths at his hands but his influence and masterminded terrorism are what gives him enough "value" to justify civilian deaths in order to kill him.

@Truth200 All of that has been known and was known even before 9/11. Just because someone is your friend today does not mean they will be your friend tomorrow.
:what:But if the value that OBL added to his organization above and beyond replacement level resulted in, lets say generously, 10,000 deaths, how the fukk can you justify a war that that has killed double the amount of civilians on the other side. If you're going to say that he was still worth the value we paid, then what you are really saying is that the civilian deaths on our side are worth more than on theirs.

I am definitely not saying that countries should sit back and allow themselves to be attacked, but stop with this bullshyt value argument. One side in both the American wars and the Israeli occupation is disproportionally killing the other side and has been for some time. Just call it what it is instead of trying to craft some nonsense argument to try to deflect from that fact.
 

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war is great for business. create these boogeymen.. sell them weapons.
now since they have weapons, justify military spending to go take them out. it's not like they have sophisticated weaponry, eventually they'll get got. the longer it takes to take them out the better.

i don't even get these ppl that join al-queda and isis.

Your smarter than the average poster...
 

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:what:But if the value that OBL added to his organization above and beyond replacement level resulted in, lets say generously, 10,000 deaths, how the fukk can you justify a war that that has killed double the amount of civilians on the other side. If you're going to say that he was still worth the value we paid, then what you are really saying is that the civilian deaths on our side are worth more than on theirs.

I am definitely not saying that countries should sit back and allow themselves to be attacked, but stop with this bullshyt value argument. One side in both the American wars and the Israeli occupation is disproportionally killing the other side and has been for some time. Just call it what it is instead of trying to craft some nonsense argument to try to deflect from that fact.

I value my life more than yours. Americans value their lives over those of lets say Iraqis. Its self interest. Its self preservation. The people in Palestine and Iraq surely value their lives far more than they value yours. I get your point through a humanitarian concept but this is reality and people fight for power. Did you feel worse on 9/11 or when 700 Syrians were killed in two days? I'd bet 9/11 affected you far more than whats going on in Syria.
 
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