Ice-T/Soledad O'Brien Fox Special:Tupac & Biggie's Death Separated Crews[Preview]

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I can see the points you making n the sexual assault case was bullshyt I agree , but I think the main reason everyone says pac wasn't wise wen it came to the streets or how ever you worded it ... Was cause nikkas warned pac about these cats n he still fukked with them until shyt went south then even tho nikkas warned him he started lashing out at everyone wen really he shouldn't have been so hardheaded thinking he knew better

He had stopped fukking with them for almost a year. He only agreed to deal with Henchman because it was business and he needed the cash. And Jimmy called him.
 

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He had stopped fukking with them for almost a year. He only agreed to deal with Henchman because it was business and he needed the cash. And Jimmy called him.
sorry yeah jack he had... then wen Jimmy said he would pay by cheque pac starting screaming on Jimmy ... Pac obviously had no clue how much clout Jimmy had look I respect some shyt pac did ... amazing talent hard worker but he was out of his depth wen dealing with them cats or with suge n the bloods ..... Which is way sadly he was always on the wrong end of the gun ....
 

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puff, big and the rest of that faction used way too many sneaky/devilish tactics in handling the fallout of that quad situation, and theyre still doing it today concerning that and the murders of pac & big.

I peeped that back then. I could never take their side or give them the benefit of the doubt.

especially with me posting on this board, seeing that a lot of posters have adopted those tactics in internet form.
 

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I think there were only 6 people there right? 2 robbers plus Pac, Stretch, Fred and Zayd.

And there were 4 people who said they only heard one shot because 2pac himself always said he only heard 1 shot and thought he only got shot once.

His account of what happened is in line with what the others said. He only went with the 5 shots angle because that's what the doctors told him. This is why the doc is slander because they make it seem like he was the one who started that narrative and lied about how many shots he heard. That's not what happened though.

Another thing that keeps getting left out is that Dexter said that they were fighting for the gun as it went off. That's not really accurately described as shooting yourself and the only reason it is told that way is because Stretch and Biggie started that narrative. Both of them obviously fell out with Pac and had to defend themselves from his accusations that they didn't act right in the situation. Of course they're gonna interpret 7 the shooting in such a way that it was really Pac's own fault and not someone else's so that they are in the clear and Pac's accusations seem inappropriate.

it was 7 in total
pac, stretch, freddie & zayd
dexter, jd & spunk

as far as the doctors telling him he got shot 5 times - i dunno about all that, but i do know he ran with that narrative

dexter said one of his goons not him grab pac hand before he was able to pull out his gat, and that's when the shot went off

biggie ain't start no narrative, he wasn't there when it all went down, he was upstairs & told the story that was told to him most likely by stretch - whom said pac went for his gun and boom a shot went off then pac dropped to the ground (and NOTE: this only came out after pac threw them nikkaz under the bus on jan 15 1995 with the Vibe mag kevin powell interview)

 

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it was in one of those special issues that cost extra money.

they did a top 10 for each year from like '90 thru '06 or something.

again, why do you even care? STOP LIVING THRU THESE MAGAZINES!!!!:mindblown:

receipts !!!! drop a link to prove your point !!!!

until then i'm calling it :duck: or maybe you got your years confuse

again, ain't calling you a liar - but i dunno how bone can be rated overall No1 in 1995 when i'm not even sure they was nominated for any source awards and i damn sure know they ain't win anything that year
Wu won as 'group of the year' & outkast won as 'new group'
 

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It was disproved bc the guy pyscho mike couldn't pick Amir out a six pack line up circling two other people in addition to billups. Amir wasnt the first name he gave either. Then he said biggie was killed using a machine gun and the killer drove around L.A. in a white stretch limo, hardly inconspicuous for someone thats also a real estate agent. He even wore a wire to billups home which billups told him to leave threatening to call the cops. Finally pyscho Mike came out and recanted his entire story. It was a wild goose chase they were lead on by a jailhouse snitch which Poole built his entire theory around and Mack nor Perez were nowhere near that party unless you have a source for that?

according to Detective poole said he interviewed several witnesses that say david mack attended that Vibe party



detective kading spent 10 to 15 minutes on psycho Mike as a diversion
I have no idea who gave him a photo line up to pick amir out - when he didn't even attend the Vibe party at the Peterson automotive Museum actually he was locked up in jail at the time

The truth is when detective poole was selected to handle the biggie case he was already investigating crooked cops in Los Angeles and then he noticed it was a connection between david mack and the biggie murder. Thereafter psycho Mike came forward saying he had information on biggies murder detective poole went to interview him and that's when psycho Mike said he overheard an immate say the individual that killed biggie had a Muslim name either Abraham, Asmere or Amir. poole doing his due diligence check david mack prison visiting log and noticed the name amir muhammad whom real name is harry billups and once his photo got out to the public 2 things occurred
1. eugene deal immediately said that was the individual who approached him
2. it was the closest resembling of the lil cease drawn suspect



:snoop: yet nikkaz believe or swear by this poochie shyt
 
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according to Detective poole said he interviewed several witnesses that say david mack attended that Vibe party



detective kading spent 10 to 15 minutes on physco Mike as a diversion
I have no idea who gave him a photo line up to pick amir out - when he didn't even attend the Vibe party at the Peterson automotive Museum actually he was locked up in jail at the time

The truth is when detective poole was selected to handle the biggie case he was already investigating crooked cops in Los Angeles and then he noticed it was a connection between david mack and the biggie murder. Thereafter physco Mike came forward saying he had information on biggies murder detective poole went to interview him and that's when physco Mike said he overheard an immate say the individual that killed biggie had a Muslim name either Abraham, Asmere or Amir. poole doing his due diligence check david mack prison visiting log and noticed the name amir muhammad whom real name is harry billups and once his photo got out to the public 2 things occurred
1. eugene deal immediately said that was the individual who approached him
2. it was the closest resembling of the lil cease drawn suspect



:snoop: yet nikkaz believe or swear by this poochie shyt
Poochie alone just pulls off a assignation with no help, no eyes, , driving n shooting, like he's in the CIA, seal team 6 or some shyt yeah sure
 

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What reality does Suge live in lol its not this one.
Suge sounded like a saved sane man there......:heh:


Believes suge; I think Reggie set up Suge to be hit to try a coop on dr, at an opportune time post brawl with the ssc who had beef with the mob since the ruuthless eazy e days, and Reggie's hit missed their target and killed Pac; being bitter that the row last big selling artist was gone; I think reggie wanted Big dead to even things up

With Suge in jail; and his billion dollar company folding and the money disappearing I doubt hed be arranging hits; and worrying about wtf Big/Puff was doing; made no sense and they would have been all over his ass....
 
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Suge sounded like a saved sane man there......:heh:


Believes suge; I think Reggie set up Suge to be hit to try a coop on dr, at an opportune time post brawl with the ssc who had beef with the mob since the ruuthless eazy e days, and Reggie's hit missed their target and killed Pac; bigger bitter that the row last big selling artist was gone; I think reggie wanted Big dead to even things up

With Suge in jail; and his billion dollar company folding and the money disappearing I doubt hed be arranging hits; and worrying about wtf Big/Puff was doing; made no sense and they would have been all over his ass....
:yeshrug: Suge always sounds insane to me everything that comes out his mouth makes me skeptical lol. I wasnt really talking about that part of the interview though to be honest.
 

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:yeshrug: Suge always sounds insane to me everything that comes out his mouth makes me skeptical lol. I wasnt really talking about that part of the interview though to be honest.
Suge wouldn't have talked if he had anything to hide...It was Reggie look nervous as fukk, lying about Mack n etc, it was him naming names and pinning the hit on poochie/suge
 

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Suge sounded like a saved sane man there......:heh:


Believes suge; I think Reggie set up Suge to be hit to try a coop on dr, at an opportune time post brawl with the ssc who had beef with the mob since the ruuthless eazy e days, and Reggie's hit missed their target and killed Pac; being bitter that the row last big selling artist was gone; I think reggie wanted Big dead to even things up

With Suge in jail; and his billion dollar company folding and the money disappearing I doubt hed be arranging hits; and worrying about wtf Big/Puff was doing; made no sense and they would have been all over his ass....
Interesting. You think that's why Suge said if you find who killed Tupac, you'll find who killed Biggie...?
 

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it was 7 in total
pac, stretch, freddie & zayd
dexter, jd & spunk

as far as the doctors telling him he got shot 5 times - i dunno about all that, but i do know he ran with that narrative

dexter said one of his goons not him grab pac hand before he was able to pull out his gat, and that's when the shot went off

biggie ain't start no narrative, he wasn't there when it all went down, he was upstairs & told the story that was told to him most likely by stretch - whom said pac went for his gun and boom a shot went off then pac dropped to the ground (and NOTE: this only came out after pac threw them nikkaz under the bus on jan 15 1995 with the Vibe mag kevin powell interview)

If Pac 'ran' with the narrative of being shot five times based on what the doctors told him, then why won't you say Biggie ran with the narrative of Pac shooting himself based on what Stretch told him? The doctor (at least the one who said it was five shots) at least based their conclusion on physical evidence and expertise. Mind you, Stretch was face down on the floor when the shot he heard went off. If the goon is fighting for the gun with Pac, how can he reasonably conclude that it was Pac who shot himself rather than the goon with either Pac's gun/Pac's hand on the gun or with his own gun?

The fact that people are inclined to believe the self-inflicted wound story based on the available evidence shows some bias against Pac. Fact is that Biggie perpetuated the narrative too by repeating it without real proof. Stretch didn't really suggest it either until Pac was calling him out. Hard to know if it's what he really believed or if he just wanted to get back at Pac for calling him out.

Interesting about that third robber. I recognize the name but forgot about that. You have some passable mustard on that Dexter book? Don't really feel like supporting a guy like that but it is an interesting perspective.
 

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Interesting. You think that's why Suge said if you find who killed Tupac, you'll find who killed Biggie...?
Yeah...

Suge already let be known the Reggie, Lil half dead theory, was the truth about PACs death....Its PACs death who needs the scenarios combined, and not Biggies, only a idiot would believe the poochie story, riding down LA like the terminator, when the museum was 5 min and a straight line from DR offices... Half death row probably was at the museum by nights end, minus incarcerated suge, people failing to mention DJ quick etc...The lone poochie story simply has hole after hole to come up with plausibility, it seems as a way to pin the crime on suge due to his alleged relationship with poochie
 

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sorry yeah jack he had... then wen Jimmy said he would pay by cheque pac starting screaming on Jimmy ... Pac obviously had no clue how much clout Jimmy had look I respect some shyt pac did ... amazing talent hard worker but he was out of his depth wen dealing with them cats or with suge n the bloods ..... Which is way sadly he was always on the wrong end of the gun ....
Maybe PAC simply didn't give a fukk...

His family been running from the government since he was born, I doubt being concerned about some local street thugs was the least of his concern...
 
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