Ian McKellen Says Superman Is A Joke, But X-Men Is About Something

[OG_StankBrefs]

Darwin
Bishop?

Black folks are in horror movies too but we know how dat always turns out.

I'm talkin bout main substantial characters.

Really didn't mean to derail dis thread like dat but da reference to civil rights n shyt was made..

 

[Ain't That Something]

To be fair she's the only black "main" character in the X-Men.

And before someone mentions Bishop he came waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay after Storm.

Fred.

Don't that make shyt even worse, for a comic to be discussing bigotry and the lot for the whole cast to be white

 

[Ain't That Something]

Black folks are in horror movies too but we know how dat always turns out.

I'm talkin bout main substantial characters.

Really didn't mean to derail dis thread like dat but da reference to civil rights n shyt was made..

Breh said Darwin who was cannon fodder, and bishop who I don't even think had a line mean less a mn of screen time

 

[R=G]

Da movies, breh.

The movies are using classic stories that are JUST now bringing in all sort of mutants nyggas haven't seen...Sinister haven't even fukking appeared on the movies yet

 

[OG_StankBrefs]

Breh said Darwin who was cannon fodder, and bishop who I don't even think had a line mean less a mn of screen time

Yeah, I knew those two were goin to get brought up which is why I made sure to emphasize main characters and use dat horror film analogy.

Regardless, I still enjoy da shyt for what it is.

 

[Remote]

The X-Men movies are better overall.

But Man of Steel was really good.

And you know what's sad about this whole thing? Finally a good Superman movie gets made...and the fuccboi fans get so upset about the amount of collateral damage of Superman fighting General Zod....that it's going to force writers/directors to take the story line back into some cheesy cornball bullshyt.

What they need to do with Superman is make it more aggressive and dark.
That's what made the Christopher Nolan Batman series so good. Sure, he addressed social/political/philosophical questions with his 3 movies, but he didn't make Batman into some cornball crime fighter. He let Batman's brutal nature come out more than ever.

If people want to grow the Superman series into something that good actors want to do, they'll have to give Superman a bit of an edge. This goodie two shoes stuff only lasts so long.

 

[Nymbus]

Black folks are in horror movies too but we know how dat always turns out.

I'm talkin bout main substantial characters.

Really didn't mean to derail dis thread like dat but da reference to civil rights n shyt was made..

tbh I had to rack my brain to come up with those two..

 

[hex]

Don't that make shyt even worse, for a comic to be discussing bigotry and the lot for the whole cast to be white

Don't get me wrong, it does. But mutants don't identify with race over being a mutant, so it's kind of a moot point in that world.

In this world though? Yeah....it's obviously kinda weird.

Fred.

 

[hex]

The X-Men movies are better overall.

But Man of Steel was really good.

And you know what's sad about this whole thing? Finally a good Superman movie gets made...and the fuccboi fans get so upset about the amount of collateral damage of Superman fighting General Zod....that it's going to force writers/directors to take the story line back into some cheesy cornball bullshyt.

What they need to do with Superman is make it more aggressive and dark.
That's what made the Christopher Nolan Batman series so good. Sure, he addressed social/political/philosophical questions with his 3 movies, but he didn't make Batman into some cornball crime fighter. He let Batman's brutal nature come out more than ever.

If people want to grow the Superman series into something that good actors want to do, they'll have to give Superman a bit of an edge. This goodie two shoes stuff only lasts so long.

The problem with this is, there is no precedent for a "dark" Superman story. Not in the same vein as what Nolan did. And even then Batman had already went "dark" with Frank Miller.

The best of both worlds would be to adapt a version of "Kingdom Come", where Superman basically gives up because the new generation of superheroes is so violent and dark and he feels like he no longer has a place.

Fred.

 

[Remote]

The problem with this is, there is no precedent for a "dark" Superman story. Not in the same vein as what Nolan did. And even then Batman had already went "dark" with Frank Miller.

The best of both worlds would be to adapt a version of "Kingdom Come", where Superman basically gives up because the new generation of superheroes is so violent and dark and he feels like he no longer has a place.

Fred.

This is the era of anti-heroes, breh.
People don't root for the good guy.

Think of all the movies/tv shows in the last decade....

Breaking Bad
The Wire
The Sopranos
Ray Donovan
24
Training Day

I mean I could list a lot but people gravitate toward characters that are multi-dimensional.

I understand your precedent argument but it's not like comic books are set in stone.
Time to adapt.

 

[Kartel13]

The X-Men movies are better overall.

But Man of Steel was really good.

And you know what's sad about this whole thing? Finally a good Superman movie gets made...and the fuccboi fans get so upset about the amount of collateral damage of Superman fighting General Zod....that it's going to force writers/directors to take the story line back into some cheesy cornball bullshyt.

What they need to do with Superman is make it more aggressive and dark.
That's what made the Christopher Nolan Batman series so good. Sure, he addressed social/political/philosophical questions with his 3 movies, but he didn't make Batman into some cornball crime fighter. He let Batman's brutal nature come out more than ever.

If people want to grow the Superman series into something that good actors want to do, they'll have to give Superman a bit of an edge. This goodie two shoes stuff only lasts so long.

They made superman edgier and people bytched because he wasnt the campy goofy Christopher Reeves that people assumed superman is supposed to be. Ignorant fans are not knowing that DC has been steady trying to shed the boyscout image for years. Superman was ready to kill to darkseid in the justice league cartoons and actually killed Lex in an alternate timeline.

And wants even more funnieris that golden age superman was a cold hearted psychopath.

 

[hex]

This is the era of anti-heroes, breh.
People don't root for the good guy.

Think of all the movies/tv shows in the last decade....

Breaking Bad
The Wire
The Sopranos
Ray Donovan
24
Training Day

I mean I could list a lot but people gravitate toward characters that are multi-dimensional.

I understand your precedent argument but it's not like comic books are set in stone.
Time to adapt.

That's why I said adapt "Kingdom Come". It perfectly addresses this exact argument.
I feel you on everything you're saying but you can't anti-hero certain characters. Some characters are just "good guys", like Captain America or Superman. And "The Winter Soldier" was so it's obviously possible to make a compelling good guy movie. I liked "Man Of Steel" but it didn't feel like a Superman movie.

Fred.

 

[Ain't That Something]

Yeah, I knew those two were goin to get brought up which is why I made sure to emphasize main characters and use dat horror film analogy.

Regardless, I still enjoy da shyt for what it is.

I liked first class, but it doesn't hide the fact that a story who seeks to talk about discrimination and bigotry has very few minorities with prominent roles

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

This is the era of anti-heroes, breh.
People don't root for the good guy.

Think of all the movies/tv shows in the last decade....

Breaking Bad
The Wire
The Sopranos
Ray Donovan
24
Training Day

I mean I could list a lot but people gravitate toward characters that are multi-dimensional.

I understand your precedent argument but it's not like comic books are set in stone.
Time to adapt.

it's like ppl forget that cap 2 was a huge hit and that captain america is one of the most popular superheroes in the world right now.

the good guy never went out of style. while sopranos and training day were poppin off spiderman was breaking records. good guy cornball tobey maguire.

 

[TheGodling]

Non-story. He's defending his franchise.
That being said, he does have a slight point. X-Men does have the potential to stand for a lot more than the average comic book serial. It had for a long time as well. You could actually write a solid essay on the X-Men series.

This.

And it's kinda obvious since DC built a lot of their franchises on archetypical heroes. Superman especially because he was originally modeled as a modern day Hercules, hence why originally he just had insane strength and could jump high/far. Morrison paid tribute to that in All-Star Superman with the twelve labors of Superman, and it's also why he had guys like Samson and Atlas pop up in the story early on.

Marvel on the other hand rose to fame due to the incorporation of socio-political elements that made them more down-to-earth and relatable to our struggles. So there was always more room to go 'deeper' there than there was for DC.

They made superman edgier and people bytched because he wasnt the campy goofy Christopher Reeves that people assumed superman is supposed to be. Ignorant fans are not knowing that DC has been steady trying to shed the boyscout image for years. Superman was ready to kill to darkseid in the justice league cartoons and actually killed Lex in an alternate timeline.

And wants even more funnieris that golden age superman was a cold hearted psychopath.

Nobody wanted campy, goofy Donner/Reeves Superman, that's idiot talk. I never get why people think that just because people weren't happy with MoS they must be Donner worshipers. There's a ton of play room between those interpretations and as many comics and cartoons have proven in the past decades, the perfect balance for a modern Superman lies somewhere in between those two interpretations.