I Want To Believe... But I Can't: The Official 2023 New York Yankees Off-season Thread
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g-ice
aka #DiamondNightmare
Some of those are disingenuous; like the last three imo
First two yeah but that’s mostly because of the Stanton trade happening.
That trade is what set them back.
Mantis Toboggan M.D.
Drink wolf cola
Long post to elaborate on this incoming.
Harper openly was fiending to come here. Openly talked about his childhood dream being to play for the Yankees. Cashman never even called him. Cited the team having 6 outfielders (including Gardner, Stanton who they envisioned as a DH from the start, hicks, & ellsbury) as to why he didn’t. Gave hicks his extension about a week before Harper signed with the Phillies. Never looked at Machado in free agency either. Murphy, Chapman, & the shortstops all were free agents he never even made an effort to sign too. Worst eye for talent of any executive I’ve ever seen.
He chose Eduardo Nuñez and Ivan nova over Cliff Lee near the end of a title window (2010) when they had just 2 starters with an ERA below 5. He chose ellsbury,
McCann & Beltran over peak Cano. He chose Montas over Luis Castillo knowing Montas was hurt and has a career 4.50 ERA outside of the Oakland coliseum. Chose adams, Frazier, Andujar over Cole in 2018 & settled on happ & sonny gray while Cole ended up in Houston. Went after Gallo when everyone knew it was a bad idea and stuck with him an extra year. Ditched Thairo Estrada to get rougned odor. Kept Voit when his trade value was its highest while the team already had 2 righty sluggers and ended up trading him in a pure salary dump 1 year later. Used Donaldson’s contract as an excuse to not even look at Freddie Freeman. Stuck with Gary until spring 2022 when everyone knew he needed to go after 2019. He let Andy & Clemens walk & didn’t replace them after 2003. He tried to let A-Rod walk after 2007 but George and Hank put a stop to that shyt. He tried to chase Jeter out of town after 2010. He went into 2021 with 0 lefty batters, 1 lefty starter, & 3 projected starters coming off multi year absences with injuries to their throwing arm (2 of them coming off Tommy John surgery).He’s allowed them to go 5 years now without a left fielder (2018 is the last year they had an actual left fielder play left field). He’s let them go just as long basically without a centerfielder. They essentially haven’t had a shortstop since 2018 as well given how bad Volpe has been in the batters box. They’ve had about 3 months worth of good hitting from the catcher position since 2018 (May & June of 2019 & June is 2021). If Peraza isn’t getting called up they basically don’t have a third baseman either.
Every year they have somewhere between $50-85 million in essentially dead money too. No GM gets less production out of his budget because he cares more about getting value than he cares about production. To put it in perspective, he got the job back when John Elway was still playing & Barry Sanders was the reigning NFL MVP. The greatest show on turf was not a term anyone had ever used. MJ was still playing for the bulls. Titanic had just released in theaters. The Disney theme park animal kingdom was not open to the public yet. In that span he’s developed 2 position players & no starting pitchers. This becomes so much worse an issue when combined with his refusal to go after great players. This is why they have as many titles since 2001 as the marlins and as many pennants in the past 20 years as the royals. This year will be the 9th time in 11 years they failed to even win the division. There’s legitimately no angle to defend him.
Mantis Toboggan M.D.
Drink wolf cola
It didn’t set them back though. They went into opening day 2018 with a lower payroll than 2017 and spent more in the winter of 2018 on Happ, CC, Hicks, Gardner, Ottavino, Britton, DJ, & Gio than Harper & Manny got put together ($69 million to $56.6 million).
g-ice
aka #DiamondNightmare
Yeah payroll aside yeah they were good but I’m talking about his regular season production and constant injuries which isnt a shock in regards to Stanton.
Mantis Toboggan M.D.
Drink wolf cola
He was never gonna be an iron man, but I think it has a lot to do with the strength and conditioning staff too. The Yankees are by far the most injury prone team in the league and at some point it has to be assumed that the coaches and trainers are to blame too. They’re even more fragile than the 2019 squad was and that got the whole previous staff canned.
g-ice
aka #DiamondNightmare
Yeah definitely. Can’t shyt on Stanton too much because breh always comes alive come Playoff time. I really believe they would have gotten a ring if both him and Judge were on fire at the same time.
g-ice
aka #DiamondNightmare
At least Rizzo woke up 
And Hader is a plus with the energy he provides.
Just wish he wasn’t so injury prone.
Edit: DFA DONALDSON
And Hader is a plus with the energy he provides.
Just wish he wasn’t so injury prone.
Edit: DFA DONALDSON
g-ice
aka #DiamondNightmare
He’s gonna start getting them for sure.
g-ice
aka #DiamondNightmare
Cole 
This was actually hilarious because I feel like I could sense your rage building with every sentence.Long post to elaborate on this incoming.
Harper openly was fiending to come here. Openly talked about his childhood dream being to play for the Yankees. Cashman never even called him. Cited the team having 6 outfielders (including Gardner, Stanton who they envisioned as a DH from the start, hicks, & ellsbury) as to why he didn’t. Gave hicks his extension about a week before Harper signed with the Phillies. Never looked at Machado in free agency either. Murphy, Chapman, & the shortstops all were free agents he never even made an effort to sign too. Worst eye for talent of any executive I’ve ever seen.
He chose Eduardo Nuñez and Ivan nova over Cliff Lee near the end of a title window (2010) when they had just 2 starters with an ERA below 5. He chose ellsbury,
He’s allowed them to go 5 years now without a left fielder (2018 is the last year they had an actual left fielder play left field). He’s let them go just as long basically without a centerfielder. They essentially haven’t had a shortstop since 2018 as well given how bad Volpe has been in the batters box. They’ve had about 3 months worth of good hitting from the catcher position since 2018 (May & June of 2019 & June is 2021). If Peraza isn’t getting called up they basically don’t have a third baseman either.
Every year they have somewhere between $50-85 million in essentially dead money too. No GM gets less production out of his budget because he cares more about getting value than he cares about production. To put it in perspective, he got the job back when John Elway was still playing & Barry Sanders was the reigning NFL MVP. The greatest show on turf was not a term anyone had ever used. MJ was still playing for the bulls. Titanic had just released in theaters. The Disney theme park animal kingdom was not open to the public yet. In that span he’s developed 2 position players & no starting pitchers. This becomes so much worse an issue when combined with his refusal to go after great players. This is why they have as many titles since 2001 as the marlins and as many pennants in the past 20 years as the royals. This year will be the 9th time in 11 years they failed to even win the division. There’s legitimately no angle to defend him.
You make a lot of great points.
What stood out to me is that you seem to be saying that Cashman tries too hard to get the most value without understanding that raw points matter.
You know what I mean?
If you’re playing Fanduel and you get 14 pts out of a $2000 player, great. That’s 7X value. But 14 points ain’t gonna win you a GPP. I’m not sure if everyone understands what I’m saying here.
But basically Cashman has built a team is great value but he sacrificed a ton of ceiling.
g-ice
aka #DiamondNightmare
Good shyt Cole 
Mantis Toboggan M.D.
Drink wolf cola
It’s probably not the degree of contempt Jeter has for him, but it’s not far off. It disgusts me that he’s been allowed to essentially run around blindly throwing shyt at the wall to amuse himself to see if it’ll work like Vince Russo booking WCW in 2000. The worst part is that it’s so clearly a case of him being jealous and insecure that he didn’t get any credit for the core teams that his predecessors built in the mid 90’s and how Clemens went straight to Steinbrenner to get him out of Toronto and how he got no credit for the A-Rod trade, none of which had much to do with him.This was actually hilarious because I feel like I could sense your rage building with every sentence.
You make a lot of great points.
What stood out to me is that you seem to be saying that Cashman tries too hard to get the most value without understanding that raw points matter.
You know what I mean?
If you’re playing Fanduel and you get 14 pts out of a $2000 player, great. That’s 7X value. But 14 points ain’t gonna win you a GPP. I’m not sure if everyone understands what I’m saying here.
But basically Cashman has built a team is great value but he sacrificed a ton of ceiling.
It’s essentially been 13 years now of watching him try to recreate the “he gets on base” scene from moneyball and failing miserably every time because he doesn’t understand how to put a team together to begin with and seems to think he won’t get any credit if he brings in great players, even though all the great GM’s in sports who do that get credit for getting great players and he’s also stopped trying to put together a roster that even fits together and compliments each other. There’s hardly ever any lefty bats, speed, or high batting average guys anymore and they’re always last in doubles and among the worst in situational hitting as a result of his philosophy where he tries to cut corners on offense.
Also yeah the betting part hit the nail on the head. He’s chasing value instead of production and getting neither as a result.