I think we need the origin of "Moors", as in where did they come from. Why were they more advanced?

[6ixSideSavage]

Arabs weren't involved in the first invasion. It was led by dark skinned Berbers and some West Africans. Moors had complete autonomy in Northwest Africa. The Arabs basically let them rule over it.n Which is why it was called "Moorish Spain" because there were more Moors than Arabs. But then the Almoravid/Almohad dynasties were completely Moorish dynasties.

How do you know Tariq bin Ziyad was dark?

I know Ghana empire was a Mande empire. I just alluded to the fact that some of the moors were Wolofs to show the deeper connection with West Africa. Most Tuaregs are also from West Africa.

Also, Almohads was founded after Moors were already in Europe and were trying to defend Al-Andalus from the onslaught of the Christian crusaders. And it's understandable since it created support directly for what they were doing in Europe (read about the Battle of Sagrajas). Prior to that and their European adventure, they lived mostly in West Africa and fought the Arabs for a long time.

What language did these "moors" speak?

 

[Bawon Samedi]

How do you know Tariq bin Ziyad was dark?

Look up his Berber ethnic group.

 

[AndroidHero]

How do you know Tariq bin Ziyad was dark?

What language did these "moors" speak?

They spoke arabic.

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

So basically u are saying that everyone in this thread going back and forth about Moors and their history who dont own homes and dont have their own business are foused on the wrong things.

All I'm saying is have something to SHOW FOR IT ....

It is possible to balance Esoterisim with Capitilisim..

The Knights Templars after Thier obtaining of wisdom in the east..developed the first banking system in the West...

My enlightner introduced sources of revenue such as the Five Percenter newspaper to create income for the school in Harlem

He knew how to multitask...

He build on the 120' with the youth and also would build and refurbish homes with his self financed realty company

What good is it to be some SUPREME GURU OF ESOTERIC KNOWLEDGE

And you still living at home with ya mama and catching the bus??

Who da fukk wants to listen to that Guy?


The Gods and Moors that raised me taught me the importance of having YOUR OWN AND BEING YOUR OWN MAN

what good is it to speak of SOVEREIGNTY if your still Submissive to someone else for your food ..clothing and shelter

 

[Bawon Samedi]

They spoke arabic.

They mainly spoke Berber and still do.

 

[6ixSideSavage]

Look up his Berber ethnic group.

Amazighs never had black folks until the Islamic slave trade that started centuries later with the introduction of the dromedary camel to the maghreb....

And unless you have primary sources claiming he was dark skinned you should refrain from misleading gullible folks on this site.

They spoke arabic.

And do you know what they called themselves? Cause "moor" is obviously what ignorant Christian Europeans named them.

 

[AndroidHero]

They mainly spoke Berber and still do.

Moorish Spain official language was Arabic, documents, literatures.... were written in arabic.

 

[Imyremeshaw]

I'm black Moroccan, I'm somewhat loosely tamajight (Berber) as my people (Uregu) a line more them. From everything I've seen online they call us black a Moor, I've never heard the term in Morocco, see the link below
Berber, Uregu in Morocco

 

[AndroidHero]

And do you know what they called themselves? Cause "moor" is obviously what ignorant Christian Europeans named them.

Some people might be surprised but a lot of the 'moors' were actually Spanish converters.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Amazighs never had black folks until the Islamic slave trade that started centuries later with the introduction of the dromedary camel to the maghreb....

And unless you have primary sources claiming he was dark skinned you should refrain from misleading gullible folks on this site.

Okay...

The Masmuda or Masamida Berbers controlled the entirety of the western part of Maghreb or North West Africa between western Algeria and Morocco until the coming of another black population known as the Zanata Berbers of Botr, or El Abter stock. They also maintained power in many towns of Spain.

"Kel Owey girl of the Imakitan Tuareg"
A Kel Owey girl, member of the Imakitan Tuaregs (formerly called Ikitamen) now located in Niger and are known in Arab texts as the KITAMA or KUTAMA Berbers and anciently as the "Mauri" or "Ethiopian" colored people called Uacutameni, Micatateni or Mactunia manus. Centuries ago, the "Kutama branch of the Berbers inhabited the region of Little Kabylia" in Northern Algeria.

See UNESCO's Africa from the Seventh to the Eleventh Century, Ivan Hrbek et al., 1992, p. 164.

Coat of Arms of Sardinia. As with the heraldry of families named with variants of Mori or Moor, several countries in Europe have flags and coat of arms with the heads of Moors on them. Military historian, Yaacov Lev in the article , “Army Regime and Society in Fatimid Egypt” (1987) wrote of Nasir Khusroes of the 11th century who speaks of the "20,000" Masmuda men that made up part of the Fatimid troops in Egypt in his time saying, “Masamida were Berbers from the Western Maghreb. Nasir-i Khusrau, however, says that they were blacks and characterized them as infantry who used lances and swords”

(from International Journal of Middle East Studies, 19(3), 337-365).


13th c. A.D.--Abu Shama refers to the Masmuda as "blacks" in his Kitab al-Ravdatayn (B. Lewis, Islam: Religion and Society, 2; 1974, p. 21

With the exception of the bedouins, who were not part of the permanent military organization of the state, the Fatimid army was largely an infantry force composed of blacks. (Nasir-i Khusrau included the Masamida among the blacks)."

- Yaacov Lev, "State and Society in Fatimid Egypt", 1987, pp 94

"The Moors have bodies black as night, while the skin of the Gauls is white..."

written by Isidore of Seville in The Etymologies of Isidore of Seville, translation by Steven A. Barney, published 2007. p. 386.

“underlines the fact that Moors are so named because they are black, and their blackness comes from the heat of the sun (9.2.121-23)” (Ramey, L., 2008)

6th c. A.D. - Procopius, a Byzantine in his History of the Wars book IV contrasting a white peoples who had settled in North Africa claimed they were not “black skinned like the Mauri...”

Are you aware of what the term "Moor" meant? While it evolved to mean Muslims in general it originally meant the Black population of Northwest Africa. Hell, the ironic thing is that the majority of black slaves did not go through the Trans Sahara Trade but instead East to the Near East.

As a lot of these "Sub Saharan" lineages like L3 that we associate with the slave trade not only PREDATE the slave trade but were always there since prehistoric times in Northwest Africa.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

I'm black Moroccan, I'm somewhat loosely tamajight (Berber) as my people (Uregu) a line more them. From everything I've seen online they call us black a Moor, I've never heard the term in Morocco, see the link below
Berber, Uregu in Morocco

I did not know you were Moroccan. WOW!

 

[6ixSideSavage]

Some people might be surprised but a lot of the 'moors' were actually Spanish converters.

The Muslims of Al-Andalus were indeed diverse with the majority of the population being mainly locals while the army was mainly Berber and the nobles were descendants of prestigious clans of the Arabian Peninsula like the Quraish.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Moorish Spain official language was Arabic, documents, literatures.... were written in arabic.

Same as with Islamic West Africa such as Mali and Songhay. Yet they still spoke their language in private settings.

 

[Losttribe]

I really wish I could form a statement that wouldn't reveal I was a cac. Lucky for me the coli tells pro black posters they will get "warnings" for normal statements.

 

[Dzali OG]

So do they date back to West Africa, or were they always in northern Africa?

Where does their science come from is the elephant in the room...