I think we need the origin of "Moors", as in where did they come from. Why were they more advanced?

[Grano-Grano]

I bet speaking about T-M70 somalis and our Eurasian admixture would have you triggered af

Why? That's a Northerners marker. I'm a proud Southerner

 

[Jimi Swagger]

The ones that came with the Europeans to the Americas (it was one landmass prior to geopolitical maps) were indentured Iberians (mainly Spain but also Portugal) as they were being kicked out after last Moorish Caliphate sold kingdom Queen Isabella 1491 giving Christian Europe jurisdiction and Treaty Rights and access to other kingdoms (trade) that they never had before.

 

[6ixSideSavage]

You obviously haven't read the study and tbh I think I will mainly attack your argument of "North Africa wuz alwayz black homie" theory with this study.

Morocco
Site Sample mtDNA Y-DNA
IAM(5300-4k) IAM.3 M1b1
IAM.4 U6a1b E-M35
IAM.5 U6a1b E-M35
IAM.6 U6a7
IAM.7 U6a3


The "white folks"
KEB(3780-3650 BCE) KEB.1 X2b
Morocco KEB.3 K1a1b1
KEB.4 K1a1b1
KEB.6 K1a4a1 T-M184
KEB.7 T2b3
KEB.8 X2b
TOR(5280-4780 BCE) TOR.1 T2c1d
Spain TOR.5 J2b1a G-M201
TOR.6 T2b3
TOR.7 T2b3
TOR.8 K1a1
TOR.11 K1a2a
TOR.12 J2b1a
BOT, Spain BOT.1 K1a4a1





Pre-historic Spain and Late Neolithic Moroccans had the same mtdna haplogroups in pre-historic times but yet you want me to believe these recent white slaves that probably got swallowed up by the large population of North Africa all of a sudden became white when they used to be black?

Even the IAM who were dark (not in the SSA sense) were only 25% "black" and even their mtdna was primarily Eurasian with NE African paternal lineages.

Like I said blacks were and always will be foreign to North Africa.....

 

[6ixSideSavage]

Why? That's a Northerners marker. I'm a proud Southerner

Southerners are genetically the same as us Northerners (except certain subclans)...you are just as Eurasian as the average Northerner like me.Embrace your Middle Eastern heritage my brudda

 

[Grano-Grano]

Southerners are genetically the same as us Northerners (except certain subclans)...you are just as Eurasian as the average Northerner like me.Embrace your Middle Eastern heritage my brudda

I do. You forget that those Eurasian admixture are ancient not recent. I will accept that. But I'm As-Sumal first and last.

 

[6ixSideSavage]

I do. You but you forget that those Eurasian admixture are ancient not recent. I will accept that. But I'm As-Sumal first and last.

Ofourse you're a Darood then a Somali then a Cushyte...then a fellow Afro-Asiatic like the Arabs,Jews,Egyptians and Berbers

 

[Grano-Grano]

Ofourse you're a Darood then a Somali then a Cushyte...then a fellow Afro-Asiatic like the Arabs,Jews,Egyptians and Berbers

I don't believe in Daarood because Daarood never believed in me. You are still bound by the old ways sxb. I'm a Somali Cushyte who shares genetic blood with Berbers and ancient Egyptians. I tested E-M215, I'm indigenous, you are not ina Banu Hashim

 

[Bawon Samedi]

@6ixSideSavage

You are late as fukk. I already know about backmigration from Levant and Europe. lol. Ever heard of the Iberomaurusian culture? I been discussed that. There were back and forth geneflow between Iberia and Northwest Africa. And blacks were always foreign to North Africa? Then how do you explain L lineages in Iberia? According to

"Determining the timing, identity and direction of migrations in the Mediterranean Basin, the role of “migratory routes” in and among regions of Africa, Europe and Asia, and the effects of sex-specific behaviors of population movements have important implications for our understanding of the present human genetic diversity. A crucial component of the Mediterranean world is its westernmost region. Clear features of transcontinental ancient contacts between North African and Iberian populations surrounding the maritime region of Gibraltar Strait have been identified from archeological data. The attempt to discern origin and dates of migration between close geographically related regions has been a challenge in the field of uniparental-based population genetics..

To this end, in the present work we have screened entire mtDNA sequences belonging to U6, M1 and L haplogroups in Andalusians —from Huelva and Granada provinces—and Moroccan Berbers. We present here pioneer data and interpretations on the role of NW Africa and the Iberian Peninsula regarding the time of origin, number of founders and expansion directions of these specific markers. The estimated entrance of the North African U6 lineages into Iberia at 10 ky correlates well with other L African clades, indicating that U6 and some L lineages moved together from Africa to Iberia in the Early Holocene. Still, founder analysis highlights that the high sharing of lineages between North Africa and Iberia results from a complex process continued through time, impairing simplistic interpretations. In particular, our work supports the existence of an ancient, frequently denied, bridge connecting the Maghreb and Andalusia."

--Hernández et al 2015. Early Holocenic and Historic mtDNA African Signatures in the Iberian Peninsula: The Andalusian Region as a Paradigm. PLoS ONE 10(10)

According to Hernandez 2015. Let me guess these people were slaves too!????

How about you READ what people posts.The fact that you bring up the IAM people hurts your argument even more as they were E-M35 carries. E lineages in Northwest Africa TODAY are more dominate than the K lineages those KEB. But anyways the IAM people carrying E-M35 clearly shows they had more Southern ancestry and correlates with those Northeast African pastoralist absorbing those of the IM culture.

Our high-resolution phylogenetic dissection of both haplogroups and coalescent time assessments suggest that the extant main branching pattern of both haplogroups arose and diversified in the mid-later Upper Palaeolithic, with some sub-clades concomitantly with the expansion of the Iberomaurusian industry. Carriers of these maternal lineages have been later absorbed into and diversified further during the spread of Afro-Asiatic languages in North and East Africa.

http://bmcevolbiol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2148-12-234

Anyways here is how prehistoric Mediterraneans like the KEB people would have looked like.

Spoiler

Also remember back in FBD when you and certain members tried telling us that there was no such thing as North African ancestry? Well the study you posted only proves us RIGHT! IAM ancestry was more widespread in North and East Africa. The reason WHY Levantines fit as a good proxy is because they received ancestry FROM repeat FROM these type of populations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Breh remember when we asked YOU GUYS how the Natufians obtained their E lineages? Well thats how! You should have never posted that study.

 

[6ixSideSavage]

I don't believe in Daarood because Daarood never believed in me. You are still bound by the old ways sxb. I'm a Somali Cushyte who shares genetic blood with Berbers and ancient Egyptians. I tested E-M215, I'm indigenous, you are not ina Banu Hashim

You ain't even V32

How dare you call yourself Somali

 

[Grano-Grano]

You ain't even V32

How dare you call yourself Somali

Yeah that's the one. I always mix up that shyt. What did you get Mr. Isaaq

 

[Bawon Samedi]

But back to blacks always being foreign to North Africa.

This RECENT study even with some errors.
Genomic Analyses of Pre-European Conquest Human Remains from the Canary Islands Reveal Close Affinity to Modern North Africans - ScienceDirect

Shows the oldest lineages(predating the Islamic invasion) to be E-M81 and U6b1a. To non-European/Arab lineages. But thats not ALL! The most common mitochondrial haplogroups were L3b1a!!! Which dismisses the myth that any Non-North African African lineages are due to the slave trade.

And I didn't even get to the worse part... Anyways Im done.

 

[6ixSideSavage]

Yeah that's the one. I always mix up that shyt. What did you get Mr. Isaaq

My Habar Awal clan is V32 while my maternal uncles (Garxajis) are T-M70

I'm around 55% "black" like the average Somali with a tiny Malay admixture

@Diasporan Royalty I will respond to your post later warya.I'm not backing off just yet

 

[Bawon Samedi]

My Habar Awal clan is V32 while my maternal uncles (Garxajis) are T-M70

I'm around 55% "black" like the average Somali with a tiny Malay admixture

@Diasporan Royalty I will respond to your post later warya.I'm not backing off just yet

Nah Im done. Dont have time for back and forth. Agree-disagree. You're definition of black is clearly different from mines and I understand. All Im saying is that you cant ignore the European influx of slaves which also impacted the population.

Edit-Its even more ironic because I am essentially arguing that the "African" side of Berbers is more similar to HORNERS/Northeast Africans like Cushytes. Maybe its the word "black" that scares you.

 

[Grano-Grano]

Nah Im done. Dont have time for back and forth. Agree-disagree. You're definition of black is clearly different from mines and I understand. All Im saying is that you cant ignore the European influx of slaves which also impacted the population.

Edit-Its even more ironic because I am essentially arguing that the "African" side of Berbers is more similar to HORNERS/Northeast Africans like Cushytes. Maybe its the word "black" that scares you.

It is. He still thinks he descends from Arabs and the funny thing is, he isn't. That's why I said he's still stuck in the old ways of believing parents fairytales.

 

[Bobby Lashleys eyebrows]

I'm not sure but all I can say is that most of science, architecture, medicine, religion, astronomy and civilization originated in Africa (then called Ethiopia, Ysrael, Egypt or Eden) the idea was to take their knowledge, claim it as theirs and separate them against each other as stated in the Torah and Quran. The Moors are mainly known to be of Islamic origins but you have a few that are Hebrew or Christians and reside in North and West Africa. A lot of america was designed by the Moors like the white house (Benjamin Banneker) and it's government structure. Moors have been painted white (Beethoven) to hide their identity especially after the dark ages. My grandfather was a Moor but through conversion and not origins.