I think we need the origin of "Moors", as in where did they come from. Why were they more advanced?

[Bawon Samedi]

Any links for further research?

See The Story of the Moors in Spain

 

[desjardins]

I just want to know if they were "black" or not. Honestly it wouldn't really impact anything to me if they were Berber or sub Saharan blacks, I just want to know the truth. I'll check out the two books referenced in this thread

 

[Bawon Samedi]

I know Ghana empire was a Mande empire. I just alluded to the fact that some of the moors were Wolofs to show the deeper connection with West Africa. Most Tuaregs are also from West Africa.

Yeah, you're right about the Wolof as there were many in modern Mauritania. As for the Tuaregs they're all over.

Also, Almohads was founded after Moors were already in Europe and were trying to defend Al-Andalus from the onslaught of the Christian crusaders. And it's understandable since it created support directly for what they were doing in Europe (read about the Battle of Sagrajas). Prior to that and their European adventure, they lived mostly in West Africa and fought the Arabs for a long time.

No, they didnt they mostly lived Mauritania(Morocco). 1. The Umayyad dynasty never extended into West Africa. 2. The main Berbers who made up the Moors like the Masmuda were largely a Maghreb/Saharan confederation but their main bases were in Morocco. Which is why when the Vikings sacked Morocco(BEFORE The Almoravid/Almohad dynasties) they referred to the dark skinned locals as "blue men..."

 

[smokeurobinson]

And yes I stand by that..

Because I was able to translate those experiences into becoming a homeowner..and business man as well..


My problem with today's hoteps..is that they just use this knowledge to DEBATE or get VIEWS and DAPs on message boards and YouTube...

Forget that

Like to paraphrase RZA ...

"he knew astronomy and the laws of Deuteronomy but couldn't master the basic laws of our ECONOMY"

So basically u are saying that everyone in this thread going back and forth about Moors and their history who dont own homes and dont have their own business are foused on the wrong things.

 

[Dzali OG]

I thought that they were hybrids?

But is that their genesis?

 

[AndroidHero]

Arabs weren't involved in the first invasion. It was led by dark skinned Berbers and some West Africans. Moors had complete autonomy in Northwest Africa. The Arabs basically let them rule over it.n Which is why it was called "Moorish Spain" because there were more Moors than Arabs. But then the Almoravid/Almohad dynasties were completely Moorish dynasties.

The invasion of Spain was led by both Tariq ibn-Ziyad army who was a berber with the help of Musa ibn Nusayr who was an Arab both of them were able to conquer Spain and it became part of the Arab Umayyad Empire.

The Arabs actually didn't let Berbers rule over Spain, Berbers of course didn't like being ruled by a minority of Arab governors that is why they revolted against them.

You are right about the Almoravid/Almohad dynasties, they were purely Berber and they came after the collapse of the Umayyed empire.

 

[Dzali OG]

Y'all study the wrong history, study Moorish science not the history.

That's what I want to know, and is really a point of this thread.

WHERE did they get thst from? Far as I can tell, Moorish Science rules this world.

 

[Bonk]

Yeah, you're right about the Wolof as there were many in modern Mauritania. As for the Tuaregs they're all over.

No, they didnt they mostly lived Mauritania(Morocco). 1. The Umayyad dynasty never extended into West Africa. 2. The main Berbers who made up the Moors like the Masmuda were largely a Maghreb/Saharan confederation but their main bases were in Morocco. Which is why when the Vikings sacked Morocco(BEFORE The Almoravid/Almohad dynasties) they referred to the dark skinned locals as "blue men..."

But you'd agree that Almohad was after they already built Al-Andalus in Europe, right?

 

[Solomon Caine]

Out of interest what country do you reside in? That was a real obscure reference.

I’ve lived in australia the last 18 years.

 

[AndroidHero]

But you'd agree that Almohad was after they already built Al-Andalus in Europe, right?

Almoravid/Almohad came after the collapse of the Umayyad Empire, so yes they came after Al-Andalus was built.

 

[ejthompson23]

Out of curiosity, why are these moors (which still exist today) never making the connections to black Africans like we try to connect to them? ancient Egypt was black...yes that's nice and all, but modern Egyptians don't want shyt to do with blacks...shyt they discriminate against fellow black Muslim Egyptians...why do we still want to claim them and pray that they recognize that their society used to be black? in north Africa, the common word for black translates as slave but yet we still wish they would acknowledge us...

 

[™BlackPearl The Empress™]

@BlackPearl The Empress you a MOE, 5?

Black Empress is an El Rukyn?????

Nah

 

[Bawon Samedi]

The invasion of Spain was led by both Tariq ibn-Ziyad army who was a berber with the help of Musa ibn Nusayr who was an Arab both of them were able to conquer Spain and it became part of the Arab Umayyad Empire.

The Arabs actually didn't let Berbers rule over Spain, Berbers of course didn't liked being ruled by a minority of Arab governors that is why they revolted against them.

You are right about the Almoravid/Almohad dynasties, they were purely Berber and they came after the collapse of the Umayyed empire.

The first expedition led by Tariq was made up mainly of Berbers, who had themselves only recently come under Muslim influence. It is probable that this army represented a continuation of a historic pattern of large-scale raids into Iberia dating to the pre–Islamic period, and hence it has been suggested that actual conquest was not originally planned. Both the Chronicle and later Muslim sources speak of raiding activity in previous years, and Tariq's army may have been present for some time before the decisive battle. It has been argued that this possibility is supported by the fact that the army was led by a Berber and that Musa, who was the Umayyad Governor of North Africa, only arrived the following year — the governor had not stooped to lead a mere raid, but hurried across once the unexpected triumph became clear. The Chronicle of 754 states that many townspeople fled to the hills rather than defend their cities, which might support the view that this was expected to be a temporary raid rather than a permanent change of government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad_conquest_of_Hispania#Invasion

And yes while they occasionally revolted they DID have autonomy especially in places like Sicily where they formed governors.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

But you'd agree that Almohad was after they already built Al-Andalus in Europe, right?

Of course. They came after the Almoravids. But you forget that the Amoravids/Almohads were REPEATED invasions of Europe because they were kicked out prior. I like those two dynasties because they were 100% Moorish dynasties with no Arab leadership.

 

[BlackPrint]

@BlackPrint

What wasn't I saying?



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Mixed you up with another convo.