I think we can all agree that these are the only men who hit KING OF NEW YORK status....

[spliz]

You way too stuck on numbers. Victory and All About The Benjamins were way bigger than the Mase singles. People associate those tracks way more with the Puff album than the Mase singles and it wasn't just because Big died. Mase wasn't looked at as THAT nikka just another cog in the Bad Boy machine. Behind the scenes he was definitely doing a lot of the leg work but so was Jada but that has shyt to do with the conversation. Mase was looked at as a Nelly type. He could flow his ass off but wasn't taken seriously as a top rapper which the KONY was usually associated with. Not just popular but the nicest too. That's where DMX came up short in a lot of convos.

I didn't speak on numbers. Someone else brought up that Mase didn't sell as much as Biggie and Puff albums. And I said Mase was THAT nikka on Puff's album. Even on Mo Money Mo Problems. If someone gives it to Biggie. I have no problem with that. But I'm damn sure not finna put Puff over a nikka who put the whole label on his back.

 

[spliz]

I'd say 50, Jay and Biggie definitively.

For some reason I don't think Nas or DMX ever had KONY status.

DMX never wanted to be king and was too unruly anyway. He was more of a renegade and was in his own world

Nas was overshadowed in his prime by all the drama of the east coast west coast beef and Jay ended up being the reigning king.
Even though Ether was deadly he didn't capitalize on it with a project strong enough to dethrone Jay after he dropped Blueprint.

LL was and is a pioneer which is not the same as a king.

U from NY?

 

[Piff Perkins]

i got ears and eyes and a brain lol

Biggie created in 94
&
Died with it in 97

1997 come
Mase and Puff wasnt respected like that as being the guy.
Nas caught flack for his 2nd album and the firm flopped.
Jay 2nd album missed

1998 hit
X did his thing but alot of people looked at him as a gimmick

Jay z dropped vol 2 and was officially the guy and never stop being the guy til he retired in 03

Yall boy Nas choked away the title. He supposed to be next up but Jay & X pushed him down a peg

Problem with this argument is that the people who sit around talking about who the KONY is actually loved IWW. We not talking about rap nerds and "real hip hop" nikkas who complained about both Biggie albums and IWW lol. We're talking about nikkas who were riding around bumping shyt out their whips...and they fukked with IWW. Unless you want to argue Stretch & Bobbito types were dictating the culture to the average NY brehs of that time.

 

[spliz]

Problem with this argument is that the people who sit around talking about who the KONY is actually loved IWW. We not talking about rap nerds and "real hip hop" nikkas who complained about both Biggie albums and IWW lol. We're talking about nikkas who were riding around bumping shyt out their whips...and they fukked with IWW. Unless you want to argue Stretch & Bobbito types were dictating the culture to the average NY brehs of that time.

Bro. I'm literally going back n forth with nikkas NOT from NY about who was King Of NY. U can't make this shyt up. Like. Please. nikkas need to gtfoh. They ain't even qualified to have this conversation unless it's from a learning capacity. Lol. IWW was bumped ALL OVER the streets in NYC. Anyone from NY who was outside knows this. Lol.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Bro. I'm literally going back n forth with nikkas NOT from NY about who was King Of NY. U can't make this shyt up. Like. Please. nikkas need to gtfoh. They ain't even qualified to have this conversation unless it's from a learning capacity. Lol. IWW was bumped ALL OVER the streets in NYC. Anyone from NY who was outside knows this. Lol.

Also...if IWW was the (quality/creative) flop certain people claim it was....why has Nas been in top 5 convos forever in NY? Why was Hov saying "Biggie, Jay-Z and Nas" in 97? If this was based off one album why wasn't he given the Slick Rick treatment a long ass time ago IE falling out of the top 5 and possibly falling out the top 10? Why did the generation of rappers that came after call IWW a classic?

But all this goes back to my point about history revisions and shyt that's lost. I bet you can find more Hot 97 interviews of Biggie from 1996 on youtube than Nas. It's impossible for a rap album to be #1 for four weeks on the charts and not have major promo/interviews/radio drops/etc and yet you can find more of that for Biggie during a limited press run for LAD than IWW. The man died during promo and yet we've seen more of that stuff than IWW. I am telling you, that shyt cannot be a coincidence. And it leads to opinions like the ones we're seeing now.

 

[Cladyclad]

Problem with this argument is that the people who sit around talking about who the KONY is actually loved IWW. We not talking about rap nerds and "real hip hop" nikkas who complained about both Biggie albums and IWW lol. We're talking about nikkas who were riding around bumping shyt out their whips...and they fukked with IWW. Unless you want to argue Stretch & Bobbito types were dictating the culture to the average NY brehs of that time.

breh nobody in 1996 would say Nas was the king over Biggie

2pac whole angle was biggie supposed to be the king of New York lol

just because he sold records don’t mean he was the guy

 

[Cladyclad]

Also...if IWW was the (quality/creative) flop certain people claim it was....why has Nas been in top 5 convos forever in NY? Why was Hov saying "Biggie, Jay-Z and Nas" in 97? If this was based off one album why wasn't he given the Slick Rick treatment a long ass time ago IE falling out of the top 5 and possibly falling out the top 10? Why did the generation of rappers that came after call IWW a classic?

But all this goes back to my point about history revisions and shyt that's lost. I bet you can find more Hot 97 interviews of Biggie from 1996 on youtube than Nas. It's impossible for a rap album to be #1 for four weeks on the charts and not have major promo/interviews/radio drops/etc and yet you can find more of that for Biggie during a limited press run for LAD than IWW. The man died during promo and yet we've seen more of that stuff than IWW. I am telling you, that shyt cannot be a coincidence. And it leads to opinions like the ones we're seeing now.

IWW is the most successful unsuccessful album ever. The shyt elevated Nas career yet ruined at the same time. Nas has never recovered from IWW/Firm/Esco era

if Nas was the king in 96 why was the whole thing who gon step up since biggie died?

I know y’all like Nas but goddamn. The shyt documented

 

[Ziggiy]

I'd say 50, Jay and Biggie definitively.

For some reason I don't think Nas or DMX ever had KONY status.

DMX never wanted to be king and was too unruly anyway. He was more of a renegade and was in his own world

Nas was overshadowed in his prime by all the drama of the east coast west coast beef and Jay ended up being the reigning king.
Even though Ether was deadly he didn't capitalize on it with a project strong enough to dethrone Jay after he dropped Blueprint.

LL was and is a pioneer which is not the same as a king.

New York themselves crowned Nas the king when he won the battle and afterwards he dropped not one but TWO projects in 02 strong enough to dethrone Jay. The Lost Tapes which is considered an all time classic and Gods Son which includes one of Nas’s most iconic anthems (Made You Look)

From December of 01-to Dec 02 Nas was definitely the KONY

 

[Cladyclad]

DMX didn't open for Jay Z on that tour by the way. Jay HIMSELF will admit that X ran that tour. U gotta be stupid.

lol he never said he ran shyt

u leave out the part where jay said he know for a fact x can’t out rap him.

 

[Cladyclad]

I'd say 50, Jay and Biggie definitively.

For some reason I don't think Nas or DMX ever had KONY status.

DMX never wanted to be king and was too unruly anyway. He was more of a renegade and was in his own world

Nas was overshadowed in his prime by all the drama of the east coast west coast beef and Jay ended up being the reigning king.
Even though Ether was deadly he didn't capitalize on it with a project strong enough to dethrone Jay after he dropped Blueprint.

LL was and is a pioneer which is not the same as a king.

This motherfukker know his shyt

 

[3:30]

Sad part is this is, this is a legitimate contender

 

[Cladyclad]

You way too stuck on numbers. Victory and All About The Benjamins were way bigger than the Mase singles. People associate those tracks way more with the Puff album than the Mase singles and it wasn't just because Big died. Mase wasn't looked at as THAT nikka just another cog in the Bad Boy machine. Behind the scenes he was definitely doing a lot of the leg work but so was Jada but that has shyt to do with the conversation. Mase was looked at as a Nelly type. He could flow his ass off but wasn't taken seriously as a top rapper which the KONY was usually associated with. Not just popular but the nicest too. That's where DMX came up short in a lot of convos.

Another post that’s spot on

 

[trillanova]

U from NY?

Yes. I'm from Brooklyn

New York themselves crowned Nas the king when he won the battle and afterwards he dropped not one but TWO projects in 02 strong enough to dethrone Jay. The Lost Tapes which is considered an all time classic and Gods Son which includes one of Nas’s most iconic anthems (Made You Look)

From December of 01-to Dec 02 Nas was definitely the KONY

Neither of those projects then or now have more weight or reverence than Blueprint. Nas almost had the crown, but he never really took it from Jay's hands. He definitely had a moment that took over the city but it wasn't long enough to be considered a reign worthy of king status. This is my opinion. I was there and a fan of both.

If it makes you feel better, Nas is the bigger New York Legend, but Jay was and still is KONY...

How? I don't know but it's fitting.

 

[spliz]

Yes. I'm from Brooklyn

Neither of those projects then or now have more weight or reverence than Blueprint. Nas almost had the crown, but he never really took it from Jay's hands. He definitely had a moment that took over the city but it wasn't long enough to be considered a reign worthy of king status. This is my opinion. I was there and a fan of both.

If it makes you feel better, Nas is the bigger New York Legend, but Jay was and still is KONY...

How? I don't know but it's fitting.

Stillmatic was bumping everywhere. Nas officially won that shyt why yall tryna rewrite shyt? If it wasn't for Cam, and them State Prop nikkas the Roc would've looked sad for like a good year and a half. BP2 was weak af. Cam held shyt down in 02 and Dipset, Freeway and Young Gunz held shyt down for 03 up until he was releasing the Black Album.

 

[spliz]

This motherfukker know his shyt

nikka shut up. U don't know shyt. Thats why u think that. U an out of towner.