Reading this seems like you just throw all those guys together, which I guess is not your fault as what seems to have happened is those guys have a branding/perception problem. The whole lower bottom part of totem pole used to be separated from the majority of men and others looking to improve themselves. You go from the '00s true forced loneliness to forever alone to incels/blackpill which only recently caught on in lexicon in recent years, people will use terms interchangeably to describe these guys and they dont even want to be associated with it in first place. The trick bag is when you coin a term "manosphere" you can group all these guys together and just trash the whole thing even if they are on opposite ends.
Then you have to take into account, those guys had their own spaces but were shutdown where they were, so they started congregating with their bad maladjusted mindsets/attitudes in other social places and it doesnt take alot to poison the well so too speak. You mix that with the business model shift away from blogging in written form which takes a great more effort than turning on camera or even just mic and saying anything online. Youtube business model also makes it where you are incentivized to keep creating new content because what could be said in lets say 5 videos must be repeated because money is on table now. So you have many many people saying the same thing over and over again in the "get the bag" culture.
Most guys back in day got the regular self improvement info, took it out in field implement it and came back and asked questions if something came up. Alot of the guys who even taught it or whatever took the knowledge and went big game hunting (ALOT of those dudes applied that knowledge to get in media and get money). Everybody is supposed to boss up and level up, even in street terms pimps eventually want to "square up" and get some business about them, if that mean owning buildings or whatever. You look at Mark Manson for example, was in pick up scene, wrote a couple pickup blogs/books, then squares up writes "subtle art of not giving a fukk" becomes NY times bestseller, blows up and writes another and then writes with Will Smith his memoir.
Yeah the thing is, there's always going to be a top and bottom.
You can have a room full of geniuses and put them in a class, but the second you introduce a grading system and assignments some are going to be the top 10%, some the top 25%, many will be the bottom 50% in terms of grading unless everyone gets every single answer right. That's simply how it has to be.
The problem is only a very few exceptional ones of them will go on to be notable and make something, which already makes them separate from the pack. It's additionally arguable that they may and have done well with different philosophies anyways.
A problem is that people start to think the reason for the top performer's success is the "school of thinking", when it was really the fact that the person is either special or had certain circumstances line up for them that the rest of the group won't have the please of having. Mark Manson for example is an excellent writer and communicator, better than most people are.
That's like I said: I think the real and mature message and thing to do is knowing how to build acceptance and forgiveness because life won't go your way all the time and really, many people are indeed average and will settle some place average just like the other 100 billion that came before them. Coming to terms with that means at least won't go around carrying baggage yourself. The main modern message of the manosphere is resulting in a lot of cats throughout those circles having a very bad sense of entitlement to them which only leads to more depression when their expectations are not met.
Then you have to take into account, those guys had their own spaces but were shutdown where they were, so they started congregating with their bad maladjusted mindsets/attitudes in other social places and it doesnt take alot to poison the well so too speak. You mix that with the business model shift away from blogging in written form which takes a great more effort than turning on camera or even just mic and saying anything online. Youtube business model also makes it where you are incentivized to keep creating new content because what could be said in lets say 5 videos must be repeated because money is on table now. So you have many many people saying the same thing over and over again in the "get the bag" culture.
Absolutely, that's when this picture about survivorship bias becomes very relevant and relates to the echo chambers:
That's basically when you have a bunch of people with the same outlook on life come together because they have the same experiences and constantly re-affirm each other in an ugly echo chamber. Unfortunately they also tend to be the loudest voices.