I need a good reason why Iran shouldn't have nukes?

[88m3]

Threads like this remind me how many lunatics post here.

 

[daze23]

People take him too seriously when he's trolling.

But that's just shyt talking....

so who's fault is it if someone takes him seriously?

this ain't a game. it's very volatile situation, and this dude is pouring more gas on the fire. hopefully cooler heads will prevail

 

[Gallo]

I don't disagree with people that say Iran is a rational actor. Of course it is - any state pursuing its interest is rational. The problem is that those same people want the US and Israel to be irrational. It's not in any of their interests, for various reasons, to allow Iran to acquire nukes. Not doing anything would be irrational.

Be consistent. If not then you're just showing your bias and if you live in either of the latter two countries one could even argue that you are being treasonous.

 

[88m3]

I don't disagree with people who say Iran is a rational actor. Of course it is - any state pursuing its interest is rational. The problem is that those same people want the US and Israel to be irrational. It's not in any of their interests, for various reasons, to allow Iran to acquire nukes. Not doing anything would be irrational.

Be consistent. If not then you're just showing your bias and if you live in in either of the latter two countries one could even argue you are being treasonous.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Gallo again.

Now this guy gets it.

 

[Loose]

quite honestly i dont think any nation needs nuclear weapons tbh

 

[88m3]

quite honestly i dont think any nation needs nuclear weapons tbh

What's tbh?


Thank You Based God?

 

[thekingsmen]

What's tbh?


Thank You Based God?

To Be Honest....

 

[thekingsmen]

I've heard someone say that before years ago. I've studied farsi in the past, but not enough to translate. So I'm not necessarily at stake to say what was said and what wasn't. And I am not a supporter of right wing Likud party party rhetoric either. That being said, Iran has had plenty of opportunity to play ball with the IAEA. And if push comes to shove I would prefer to allow Israel to have a greater influence in foreign relations in the Mid-East than I would with Iran any day in terms of US interests.

Sounds more like a closet Likud fan.

 

[88m3]

To Be Honest....

I'll deal with your convoluted nonsense when I get to my laptop.

 

[thekingsmen]

I'll deal with your convoluted nonsense when I get to my laptop.

 

[MikelArteta]

I don't care if Iran gets a nuclear weapon. It may be a good thing to serve as an offset and counterbalance to Israel.

is rational actor. I don't know why people act like he's crazy or unstable. Dude has a doctorate in civil engineering. People take him too seriously when he's trolling. When he talks all that death to Israel shyt, he's playing to the fundamentalist base in his country that hates Israel and serving as a mouthpiece for the powerful mullahs there. You have to understand the intersection of domestic politics and international politics.

In his interviews, he strikes me as a pragmatic goofball. How is he any less rational than say Pervez Musharaf other than he's not one of our guys? Kim Jong-Il was a fukking sociopathic Stalinist demon who ran an apocalyptic police state and he never used his nukes. Does anybody really think wants all-out nuclear war with Israel? I don't. Someone like Osama Bin Laden would...a straight-up radical Islamic nutcase who thinks he's fighting some cosmic holy war. ? He's just a selfish, ambitious politican.

dude is gone next year anyways, prob wil retire in dubai or something

 

[Robbie3000]

I don't disagree with people who say Iran is a rational actor. Of course it is - any state pursuing its interest is rational. The problem is that those same people want the US and Israel to be irrational. It's not in any of their interests, for various reasons, to allow Iran to acquire nukes. Not doing anything would be irrational.

Be consistent. If not then you're just showing your bias and if you live in in either of the latter two countries one could even argue you are being treasonous.

Israel is acting rationally I agree. I don't know about the US. When it comes to Israel, we don't often act in the sole best interest of the United States. IPAC's goals are not always aligned with those of the US.

How far should we go to make sure Iran doesn't develop nuclear weapons is
the question? What is the cost-benefit analysis of going into Iran to stop their Nuclear program vs. Living with a nuclear capable Iran? There is a high price to pay in both lives and treasure in a military adventure that doesn't pose an extisental threat to the US.

That's even assuming that Iran's goals are to develop weapons. Iraq discontinued it's WMD program years before the invasion. But they couldn't come out and admit this fact because they had regional enemies that they had to bluff into believing they still possessed WMDs.

But nevertheless the threat of WMDs based on flimsy evidence and wishful thinking were used as a justification to go into Iraq. It's amazing that we keep falling for these games over and over.

 

[Gallo]

Israel is acting rationally I agree. I don't know about the US. When it comes to Israel, we don't often act in the sole best interest of the United States. IPAC's goals are not always aligned with those of the US.

How far should we go to make sure Iran doesn't develop nuclear weapons is
the question? What is the cost-benefit analysis of going into Iran to stop their Nuclear program vs. Living with a nuclear capable Iran? There is a high price to pay in both lives and treasure in a military adventure that doesn't pose an extisental threat to the US.

That's even assuming that Iran's goals are to develop weapons. Iraq discontinued it's WMD program years before the invasion. But they couldn't come out and admit this fact because they had regional enemies that they had to bluff into believing they still possessed WMDs.

But nevertheless the threat of WMDs based on flimsy evidence and wishful thinking were used as a justification to go into Iraq. It's amazing that we keep falling for these games over and over.

It's the other way around imo. The US has much more to lose than Israel. Israel security will endure just like South Koreas security endures even with a nuclear North because we will guarantee it. A nuclear Iran on the other hand would perhaps initiate an arms race in the middle east. Multiple AQ Kahn networks come to mind. They sponsor terrorism and insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan which have resulted in the lost of US troops, impedes the maturation process of both countries and further destabilizes the region. A Nuclear Iran would increase their leverage to continue to slowly bleed the US and further destabilize.

As far as Iran not being an existential threat. Iraq wasn't an existential threat either but if we had done nothing Kuwait would have been lost. That would have given Iraq the confidence and resources to pursue WMD's. Milosovic certainly wasn't an existential threat but if we had done nothing he would have owned Serbia and completed his genocide. The Taliban wasn't an existential threat but doing nothing would have resulted in the Taliban remaining in power and continuing to host terrorists. Existential threat is not necessary for justifying military action. One would hope you don't allow it to get to the point where they become an existential threat. At that point your options are pretty much nil.

As far the second Iraq war. That was justified imo for various reasons which I am not going to get into. I don't want to rehash that. However, two things where unfortunate - Bush and Co. deciding to use fear as the driving force for action in Iraq and the post-saddam strategy which resulted in a quagmire. But that's Monday morning quarterbacking. I only hope the US has learned their lessons so we can avoid repeating the same mistakes if we decide to use military force against Iran.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

Once Ahmadinejad is gone, what is stopping some other crazy fukk from getting into power or some terrorists getting a hold of their nukes?

Also, if Israel nuked Iran hypothetically, wouldn't nuclear fallout and radiation effect Israel too?

 

[Robbie3000]

It's the other way around imo. The US has much more to lose than Israel. Israel security will endure just like South Koreas security endures even with a nuclear North because we will guarantee it. A nuclear Iran on the other hand could perhaps initiate an arms race in the middle east. Multiple AQ Kahn networks comes to mind. They sponsor terrorism and insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan which have resulted in the lost of US troops, impeded the maturation process of both countries and further destabilized the region. A Nuclear Iran would increase it's leverage to continue to slowly bleed the US and further destabilize.

As far as Iran not being an existential threat. Iraq wasn't an existential threat either but if we had done nothing Kuwait would have been lost. That would have given Iraq the confidence and resources to pursue WMD's. Milosovic certainly wasn't an existential threat. But if we had done nothing he would have owned Serbia and completed his genocide. The Taliban wasn't anexistential threat. But doing nothing would have resulted in the Taliban remaining in power and continuing to host terrorists. Existential threat is not necessary for justifying military action. One would hope you don't allow it to get to the point where it is an existential threat. At that point your options are pretty much nil.

As far the second Iraq war. That was justified imo for various reasons which I am not going to get into. I don't want to rehash that. However, two things where unfortunate - Bush and Co. deciding to use fear as the driving force for action in Iraq and the post-saddam strategy which led to a quagmire. But that's Monday morning quarterbacking. I only hope the US has learned their lessons so we don't have to repeat the same mistake if we go into Iran.

You actually think the second Iraq war was justified? On what basis?(pre invasion) because this gets at why we should be ever cautious about buying into the Iran threat.