I need a good reason why Iran shouldn't have nukes?

[ADevilYouKhow]

Once Ahmadinejad is gone, what is stopping some other crazy fukk from getting into power or some terrorists getting a hold of their nukes?

Also, if Israel nuked Iran hypothetically, wouldn't nuclear fallout and radiation effect Israel too?

Khamenei


It depends on wind patterns but most likely yes.

 

[Gallo]

You actually think the second Iraq war was justified? On what basis?(pre invasion) because this gets at why we should be ever cautious about buying into the Iran threat.

Hitchens lays the case here starting at minute 59 although he doesn't go into great detail.

[ame=http://youtu.be/XLKQGwVkczg?t=59m]The Greatest Debate of the Decade - Christopher Hitchens vs. George Galloway. - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

It's the other way around imo. The US has much more to lose than Israel. Israel security will endure just like South Koreas security endures even with a nuclear North because we will guarantee it. A nuclear Iran on the other hand would perhaps initiate an arms race in the middle east. Multiple AQ Kahn networks comes to mind. They sponsor terrorism and insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan which have resulted in the lost of US troops, impeded the maturation process of both countries and further destabilized the region. A Nuclear Iran would increase their leverage to continue to slowly bleed the US and further destabilize.

As far as Iran not being an existential threat. Iraq wasn't an existential threat either but if we had done nothing Kuwait would have been lost. That would have given Iraq the confidence and resources to pursue WMD's. Milosovic certainly wasn't an existential threat. But if we had done nothing he would have owned Serbia and completed his genocide. The Taliban wasn't an existential threat. But doing nothing would have resulted in the Taliban remaining in power and continuing to host terrorists. Existential threat is not necessary for justifying military action. One would hope you don't allow it to get to the point where it is an existential threat. At that point your options are pretty much nil.

As far the second Iraq war. That was justified imo for various reasons which I am not going to get into. I don't want to rehash that. However, two things where unfortunate - Bush and Co. deciding to use fear as the driving force for action in Iraq and the post-saddam strategy which resulted in a quagmire. But that's Monday morning quarterbacking. I only hope the US has learned their lessons so we don't have to repeat the same mistakes if we decide to use military force against Iran.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Israel is acting rationally I agree. I don't know about the US. When it comes to Israel, we don't often act in the sole best interest of the United States. IPAC's goals are not always aligned with those of the US.

How far should we go to make sure Iran doesn't develop nuclear weapons is
the question? What is the cost-benefit analysis of going into Iran to stop their Nuclear program vs. Living with a nuclear capable Iran? There is a high price to pay in both lives and treasure in a military adventure that doesn't pose an extisental threat to the US.

That's even assuming that Iran's goals are to develop weapons. Iraq discontinued it's WMD program years before the invasion. But they couldn't come out and admit this fact because they had regional enemies that they had to bluff into believing they still possessed WMDs.

But nevertheless the threat of WMDs based on flimsy evidence and wishful thinking were used as a justification to go into Iraq. It's amazing that we keep falling for these games over and over.

And if Americas Interests and Israels Interests are the same?
It's not always one way or another you know?
It's not a giant game of right and wrong.
Whats IPAC?

How far shouldn't the US go?
How far will Iran go?
If Iran starts a nuclear war, the world as you know it is over.
I think that's worth stopping don't you? Imagine every person you've ever seen, met or knew is dead. All life is dead.
Who cares about money at the end of the day they're just numbers used to manipulate people. If the last 20 years have taught you anything it should be that.

Iraq lost a game of poker they had no chance winning.
In the end there is one less brutal dictator. Where the countries future lies is in the populations hands where it should be.

WMD's aren't a flimsy matter they can kill millions. They should be treated with the highest scrutiny.

 

[TLOL is back]

Maybe its because they're genocidal Islamist Jihadi lunatics who threaten to annihilate half of the civilized world, and are the largest sponsors of terrorism on earth.

I don't know, maybe because of that.

 

[thekingsmen]

Maybe its because they're genocidal Islamist Jihadi lunatics who threaten to annihilate half of the civilized world, and are the largest sponsors of terrorism on earth.

I don't know, maybe because of that.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

That's right there is none

My personal answer would be NOBODY should have nukes.

I guess a more traditional western answer would be that the country is too strongly influenced by religious radicals and giving them nuclear weapons while they toil away to fulfill their holy book's doomsday prophecies is a self-imposed death sentence.

I like my answer better. I hate nuclear weapons, or any WMDs for that matter...

 

[Jello Biafra]

I understand exactly why Iran wants nukes so desperatley though and why every other dictator or strong man should be working overtime to get their hands on them. Having nuclear weapons is the only way to keep The US and other western countries from forming a coalition to oust you and them murder you if you happen to be someone that they don't like or disagree with. You get the nukes as an insurance policy not because you want to actually use them. Having nukes is what keeps everyone from getting froggy with North Korea while giving them up is what got Gaddafi killed.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

To all you dudes saying Iran should be able to get nuclear weapons, I understand where you are coming from. In a fair world we should all have them or nobody should have them. Reality is, the world isn't fair and for whatever reason these people are our enemy. We hold the power now and it would be foolish to allow our enemies to level the playing field.

It's that simple. Yeah it sounds fukked up, but the world is fukked up

 

[PewPew]

Under the Symington Amendment of the 1961 Foreign Assistance Act, Israel is not entitled to one penny of US taxpayer support, because - as has been validated by both former Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and former US President Carter, that Israel has nuclear weapons, but will not be a signatory to the NNPT, nor will it allow IAEA inspection of their facilities. Under the terms of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, Iran has a right to use nuclear technology for peaceful purposes. This includes power stations and medical isotopes. Enrichment to 20% is consistent with medical usage.

Therefore, Iran's actions are legal under the terms of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which Iran has signed right alongside the United States and Israel has not! In demanding that Iran surrender their legal rights as specified in the NNPT, the United States is in violation of that treaty. Under Article IV, the United States is obligated to assist Iran in building their power stations and medical facilities. Clearly, if the United States were in compliance with the NNPT, we would know for an absolute certainty what Iran was and was not doing with their nuclear facilities.

 

[Robbie3000]

Hitchens lays the case here starting at minute 59 although he doesn't go into great detail.

The Greatest Debate of the Decade - Christopher Hitchens vs. George Galloway. - YouTube

Hitchens was dead wrong on the Iraq issue. He was changing the rationale for going into Iraq after the fact by pointing to it's human rights record. I'm sure people will do the same after we invade Iran and are stuck in another endless clusterfukk.

I can't believe you hold this position after being manipulated by your government into supporting a needless war. Wow.

 

[newarkhiphop]

nukes have only been used twice in history on another country, guess by who.

 

[Robbie3000]

Under the Symington Amendment of the 1961 Foreign Assistance Act, Israel is not entitled to one penny of US taxpayer support, because - as has been validated by both former Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and former US President Carter, that Israel has nuclear weapons, but will not be a signatory to the NNPT, nor will it allow IAEA inspection of their facilities. Under the terms of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, Iran has a right to use nuclear technology for peaceful purposes. This includes power stations and medical isotopes. Enrichment to 20% is consistent with medical usage. Therefore, Iran's actions are legal under the terms of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which Iran has signed right alongside the United States and Israel has not! In demanding that Iran surrender their legal rights as specified in the NNPT, the United States is in violation of that treaty. Under Article IV, the United States is obligated to assist Iran in building their power stations and medical facilities. Clearly, if the United States were in compliance with the NNPT, we would know for an absolute certainty what Iran was and was not
doing with their nuclear facilities.

This is an overlooked point. Iran is in compliance of the NNPT and Israel won't even sign the document. Why doesn't Israel allow inspection of their facilities and how to they get away with it? If Iran took a similar position, we would be at war right now.

 

[MikelArteta]

Maybe its because they're genocidal Islamist Jihadi lunatics who threaten to annihilate half of the civilized world, and are the largest sponsors of terrorism on earth.

I don't know, maybe because of that.

Iran jihadi lunatics?

I've heard it all

 

[MikelArteta]

It's funny how Pakistan has nukes a country where Osama was living, a country that hates America, and breeds terrorists.

North Korea has nukes, and there is like what 40,000 Americans on us bases in south Korea