Hulu's....Wu Tang: An American Saga Official Thread 9/8

[nieman]

Especially when you add in the family aspect of it all. Had to wonder if the clan was jealous of ODB getting the Mariah look and wondering f he was actually requested or if he was offered up due to being Rza’s family.

The story goes that Mariah put the request in.

But like I said, Deck is really the only one with a legitimate gripe. I would assume that the argument in the episode would've taken place around the time Rae got signed. They had equal status then, with Deck being on damn near everything burning it down, but he didn't have a deal. I don't doubt that they were trying to get him signed. But him signing with Loud really derailed his career. He should've waited a little longer for them to have their labels, and then he would've been Razor Sharp or the franchise of Wu-Tang Records

 

[Robbie3000]

I had legitimate anxiety watching this.. When his phone kept ringing.

You coming to the party?
Geffen on the phone.

glad I’m not the only one. This episode reminded me of some projects that I had to manage at work when Teams messages, emails and phones would not stop and I had to deal with demanding a$$hole execs and talented, but uncooperative IT engineers.

I’m happy Divine got his shine.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Very good episode. It really showed how he was drifting apart from everyone else and how everyone changed, not just Divine.

Divine had a self-fulfilling prophecy. He told RZA, "let me be the one they hate," and now they do. Other than Raekwon who really had no right to be upset, you can sympathize with every other adversary, even ODB to an extent.

Deck is the Ralph Tresvant of Wu-Tang. He sacrificed the most to let everyone else shine, because I know growing up, Deck was my favorite after Meth and woulda had a much different career had he gone earlier (same way Ralph's solo career woulda been bigger had he pushed harder on getting his solo off first instead of Heart Break).

GZA had bad experiences before, so he wanted it done right even if the label was pressing Divine. I get where he came from.

EDIT: Forgot about Power. He had a legit gripe too. If he was doing everything behind Divine's back that woulda looked bad.

Obviously his family wanted him around because those memories you can't get back and he had to learn to balance that.

ODB was an a$$hole, but he needed someone who spoke his language and he found someone who did even if he appeared to be shady. Divine just had to realize that Dirty had to learn the hard way.

The Ghost situation ended the way it should have. Same with Cappadonna.

The whole house vibe changed. Outsiders all up in there, playing non-Wu stuff when that spot was supposed to be a retreat for Wu, not the whole hood.

 

[O.Red]

Every week I keep forgetting to watch this I know I'm behind like a muthafukka now

 

[Bugzbunny129]

https://hot1079.iheart.com/featured/kobe/content/2018-11-08-the-story-of-odb-recording-mariah-careys-fantasy-remix-is-classic-odb/

They should have made that an episode rather than dirt mcgirt blaxploitation

Props. Heres the story so noone has to goto link


The story is from Cory Rooney an A&R rep for her label. It was part of a 2016 Billboard article about some of Mariah's biggest hits.
From Billboard
I reached out to ODB and he wanted $15,000 to rap on the record. At the time, that was a lot of money, but it really wasn’t for Mariah Carey’s budget — so, no problem. He finally showed up, three hours late, and when he got there, it was about 10:30 at night. He had been drinking, and was on the phone when he walked in. Irate, screaming at some girl how he’s gonna come kill her, he’s going to kick her a**…and then whispering, “I love you.” Then screaming again. This went on for an hour.

He finally came out and was like, “Yo, pardon me, this b**ch is driving me crazy. I need some Moet and Newports before we get into this record.” I said, “It’s 12:30 at night now bro, I don’t know where we’re going to get Moet from.” He started yelling at the assistants, calling them white devils, saying, “You white devils, y’all don’t want black people to have shyt.” They went out for like an hour, and the only thing they could find were some Heinekens. He was so disgusted, he threw a bottle on the floor.
At this point Mariah had been calling every hour on the hour, wanting to hear something over the phone. Tommy was pissed because Mariah was keeping him up, so he finally got on the phone with ODB — and after that, finally we started to record. He said one line — “me and Mariah, go back like babies with pacifiers” — then paused, said, “Yo, I need to take a break,” and went to sleep for 45 minutes. He woke up and was like, “Yo, let me hear what I did so far.” We played his one line back, he sang another line or two, and then slept for another hour. He would come up with a line, punch that in, go to sleep. He went to sleep 3 different times in the middle of trying to get that one verse done. If you listen to the record now, on his verse, you can hear that it’s punched in in pieces. He actually told the engineer, “Y’all better have your shyt set and record it right, cause I’m not doing it twice.”
I stayed in the studio until we finished it. So I was sleeping in the studio when Tommy and Mariah called me, and said they loved the record. But Tommy had a bright idea: let’s get ODB back in the studio, and instead of just, “New York in the house,” do [a line] for every city. I said, “You’ve got to be kidding.” Of course [ODB] wanted another $15,000. He came back to the studio, a little more mellow but dead tired. He’s sitting there picking food out of his teeth — he pulled a piece of food out of his mouth so big it was scary. I was like, “How long did you walk around with that food in your mouth?” Like, it was unbelievable. Then he fell asleep on couch, kicked one shoe off. His foot smelled so bad, we had to let him sleep and leave the control room. Eventually, we got the other parts done and that was that.
A week later, it was time to shoot a video. We reached out to him, and he wanted another $15,000 dollars. No problem. So I sent a car to his house and he drank every friggin’ thing in the limo, and went to his trailer. I had asked him, “Do you need the stylist to buy clothes for you?” He said, “Nah, this is hip-hop -- I'm just rocking some jeans and Timbs.” [That day], he was in the trailer, in and out of consciousness, when I said, “We're getting ready to do a scene.” He said, “I don't got no clothes, how am I going to do a video if I ain’t got nothing to wear?” I started screaming at him.
Tommy told us take my corporate credit card to the mall. ODB disappeared for a minute, and we found him in a store trying to buy Louis Vuitton luggage. He said, “I'm going to use it for a scene.” He came back [to the set] with all these bags of Tommy Hilfiger clothes and Timberlands.

It was finally time for him to do his scene and said, “I'm not going to wear a shirt, I don't need no clothes.” I wanted to shoot him. He was like, “I have an idea -- I want to tie up the clown.” Plus, Mariah turned him on to peach schnapps, which she used to always drink. He drank like two bottles of that. So between the hot sun and him drinking two bottles, what a disastrous day that was. The video was a miracle, a real miracle.

 

[Heavy_Handz]

Props. Heres the story so noone has to goto link


The story is from Cory Rooney an A&R rep for her label. It was part of a 2016 Billboard article about some of Mariah's biggest hits.
From Billboard
I reached out to ODB and he wanted $15,000 to rap on the record. At the time, that was a lot of money, but it really wasn’t for Mariah Carey’s budget — so, no problem. He finally showed up, three hours late, and when he got there, it was about 10:30 at night. He had been drinking, and was on the phone when he walked in. Irate, screaming at some girl how he’s gonna come kill her, he’s going to kick her a**…and then whispering, “I love you.” Then screaming again. This went on for an hour.

He finally came out and was like, “Yo, pardon me, this b**ch is driving me crazy. I need some Moet and Newports before we get into this record.” I said, “It’s 12:30 at night now bro, I don’t know where we’re going to get Moet from.” He started yelling at the assistants, calling them white devils, saying, “You white devils, y’all don’t want black people to have shyt.” They went out for like an hour, and the only thing they could find were some Heinekens. He was so disgusted, he threw a bottle on the floor.
At this point Mariah had been calling every hour on the hour, wanting to hear something over the phone. Tommy was pissed because Mariah was keeping him up, so he finally got on the phone with ODB — and after that, finally we started to record. He said one line — “me and Mariah, go back like babies with pacifiers” — then paused, said, “Yo, I need to take a break,” and went to sleep for 45 minutes. He woke up and was like, “Yo, let me hear what I did so far.” We played his one line back, he sang another line or two, and then slept for another hour. He would come up with a line, punch that in, go to sleep. He went to sleep 3 different times in the middle of trying to get that one verse done. If you listen to the record now, on his verse, you can hear that it’s punched in in pieces. He actually told the engineer, “Y’all better have your shyt set and record it right, cause I’m not doing it twice.”
I stayed in the studio until we finished it. So I was sleeping in the studio when Tommy and Mariah called me, and said they loved the record. But Tommy had a bright idea: let’s get ODB back in the studio, and instead of just, “New York in the house,” do [a line] for every city. I said, “You’ve got to be kidding.” Of course [ODB] wanted another $15,000. He came back to the studio, a little more mellow but dead tired. He’s sitting there picking food out of his teeth — he pulled a piece of food out of his mouth so big it was scary. I was like, “How long did you walk around with that food in your mouth?” Like, it was unbelievable. Then he fell asleep on couch, kicked one shoe off. His foot smelled so bad, we had to let him sleep and leave the control room. Eventually, we got the other parts done and that was that.
A week later, it was time to shoot a video. We reached out to him, and he wanted another $15,000 dollars. No problem. So I sent a car to his house and he drank every friggin’ thing in the limo, and went to his trailer. I had asked him, “Do you need the stylist to buy clothes for you?” He said, “Nah, this is hip-hop -- I'm just rocking some jeans and Timbs.” [That day], he was in the trailer, in and out of consciousness, when I said, “We're getting ready to do a scene.” He said, “I don't got no clothes, how am I going to do a video if I ain’t got nothing to wear?” I started screaming at him.
Tommy told us take my corporate credit card to the mall. ODB disappeared for a minute, and we found him in a store trying to buy Louis Vuitton luggage. He said, “I'm going to use it for a scene.” He came back [to the set] with all these bags of Tommy Hilfiger clothes and Timberlands.

It was finally time for him to do his scene and said, “I'm not going to wear a shirt, I don't need no clothes.” I wanted to shoot him. He was like, “I have an idea -- I want to tie up the clown.” Plus, Mariah turned him on to peach schnapps, which she used to always drink. He drank like two bottles of that. So between the hot sun and him drinking two bottles, what a disastrous day that was. The video was a miracle, a real miracle.

 

[flatlinerz]

Gone be highly disappointed if I don’t see Jamie Sommers get trained on the tour bus (looks like it probably won’t happen smh) .

I thought Jamie sommers was one of RZA sisters?

 

[flatlinerz]

Rollie fingers deserve so much better, I remember copping Uncontrolled Substance when it came out in 1999 thinking this shyt was going to be the resurrection of christ just got to be dopest wu album to ever come out because it's deck and we all been waiting. I was severely disappointed, massive wait for this shyt? Couple of dope tracks but that was it but forgettable, beats were mostly wack on the album, he should of just had 4th disciple in house produce the whole album since RZA was too busy. He shouldn't have signed to Loud wished he went to priority records and take him more serious he would of dropped a hip hop classic.

 

[nieman]

I thought Jamie sommers was one of RZA sisters?

Nope. One of RZA's BMs. She actually did the TMZ tour once, trying to take him to court for child support or something.

 

[nieman]

Rollie fingers deserve so much better, I remember copping Uncontrolled Substance when it came out in 1999 thinking this shyt was going to be the resurrection of christ just got to be dopest wu album to ever come out because it's deck and we all been waiting. I was severely disappointed, massive wait for this shyt? Couple of dope tracks but that was it but forgettable, beats were mostly wack on the album, he should of just had 4th disciple in house produce the whole album since RZA was too busy. He shouldn't have signed to Loud wished he went to priority records and take him more serious he would of dropped a hip hop classic.

It's a shame, but the only thing they could've really did for Deck was force Loud to release the album in '96-'97. He was recording, but they would've had to flood the streets with tracks, and hope for an overwhelming response that the label had to give him a release date. Even then, Loud still probably wouldn't have let him release in '96. That year was flooded, and in '97 he runs into the same problems of them shelving it, and considering he danced all over Wu-Forever, Loud did him a disservice.

 

[Ziggiy]

why? you already knew Ghost and Cap got signed. You also know that Mariah did the remix with ODB. hahaha. You knew this before the episode aired.

The thing that's bothering me is that you have guys that are ready to be in the studio and put in work such as U god and Deck, but they still forced ODB to drop 2 albums before they could get ONE(they dropped their first albums immediately following ODB's 2nd). Dirty was more charismatic than the 2 of them, but I can see why U God and Deck could have been frustated.

Dirty was already signed as a soloist. They weren’t FORCING him to drop its just what happens when an artist is SIGNED and HOT. Its actually a great thing for that artist.

U-God is dealing with his issues with his son. Doesn’t seem like he’s in the head space to be recording. Deck is hungry and Divine’s ONE fukk up is not acknowledging that and fighting harder for him. His negotiations with Mottola should have included a deal for Deck, he had leverage because they already wanted Ghost and Dirt AND Cap.

Also we have to keep in mind that for dramatic purposes they are fudging the timeline a bit. I think in real life Deck was already signed to Loud but RZA suffered a SECOND flood that fukked up Deck’s and U-God’s and even parts of Dirty’s album. Thats why Deck got pushed back to capitalize off of Wu-Tang Forever but then Loud sold to Sony which pushed him all the way to 99.

Deck was an unfortunate victim of circumstance

 

[DaHNIC82]

Deck had a right to feel that way. He stayed loyal, played his position, never got on some knucklehead shyt like Rae, Ghost, Dirty, and killed ever spot he was on. But Cap comes in, delivers one verse and gets signed.. He should have fought harder for Deck but he had alot going on

 

[Ziggiy]

Very good episode. It really showed how he was drifting apart from everyone else and how everyone changed, not just Divine.

Divine had a self-fulfilling prophecy. He told RZA, "let me be the one they hate," and now they do. Other than Raekwon who really had no right to be upset, you can sympathize with every other adversary, even ODB to an extent.

Deck is the Ralph Tresvant of Wu-Tang. He sacrificed the most to let everyone else shine, because I know growing up, Deck was my favorite after Meth and woulda had a much different career had he gone earlier (same way Ralph's solo career woulda been bigger had he pushed harder on getting his solo off first instead of Heart Break).

GZA had bad experiences before, so he wanted it done right even if the label was pressing Divine. I get where he came from.

EDIT: Forgot about Power. He had a legit gripe too. If he was doing everything behind Divine's back that woulda looked bad.

Obviously his family wanted him around because those memories you can't get back and he had to learn to balance that.

ODB was an a$$hole, but he needed someone who spoke his language and he found someone who did even if he appeared to be shady. Divine just had to realize that Dirty had to learn the hard way.

The Ghost situation ended the way it should have. Same with Cappadonna.

The whole house vibe changed. Outsiders all up in there, playing non-Wu stuff when that spot was supposed to be a retreat for Wu, not the whole hood.

Co-sign everything except Dirty having a legit gripe. He had NO gripe whatsoever he’s just a self destructive, drug addicted, live wire. The WORST thing that could have happened for his life was having people around him who “spoke his language”. He needed as many people around possible who would call him out on his relative stupidity and lack of foresight. RZA got him a deal that would lead to long term financial stability (possibly generational) and bytched about it. Demanded to be treated like a man and not a kid and immediately indulges in video games, junk food, and a posse of fair-weather friends (KID shyt) and only shows up to important meetings and sessions to get money (because he blows through his advance)

ODB was just a fukk up. A talented fukk up. But a fukk up nonetheless

 

[nieman]

Dirty was already signed as a soloist. They weren’t FORCING him to drop its just what happens when an artist is SIGNED and HOT. Its actually a great thing for that artist.

U-God is dealing with his issues with his son. Doesn’t seem like he’s in the head space to be recording. Deck is hungry and Divine’s ONE fukk up is not acknowledging that and fighting harder for him. His negotiations with Mottola should have included a deal for Deck, he had leverage because they already wanted Ghost and Dirt AND Cap.

Also we have to keep in mind that for dramatic purposes they are fudging the timeline a bit. I think in real life Deck was already signed to Loud but RZA suffered a SECOND flood that fukked up Deck’s and U-God’s and even parts of Dirty’s album. Thats why Deck got pushed back to capitalize off of Wu-Tang Forever but then Loud sold to Sony which pushed him all the way to 99.

Deck was an unfortunate victim of circumstance

I agree. But I think that in Divine's head (in the show...IRL he was already signed to Loud), he's like Deck is a pro and one of the best, so we have to get these other knuckleheads lined up and secured first and when opportunity is presented, cause Deck will always be ready. Unfortunately, they're downplaying Deck's frustrations. Of course, he's everything to the Clan - RZA/Divine/Meth/Ghost/GZA...well prob not Rae, but they aren't doing a better job of showing him how much they appreciate him, by having to pacify the hot heads.

Perhaps his arc in the show will get more of a positive response for he & RZA to give it a shot. Every episode, they allude to him. I love how they've made a Deck subplot for this season.

 

[Morose Polymath]

I had legitimate anxiety watching this.. When his phone kept ringing.

You coming to the party?
Geffen on the phone.

Glad I'm not the only one
The constant phone calls, the chaos in the house, the drama with Deck, Ghost and Dirty, man this episode really had me feeling for Divine. This show did a brilliant job showing the stress he was going through with The Wu and then at the end when Ghost asks about his daughter and Divine just has this look like


Low key, Deck is the unsung hero of this Season. I loved how they showed even tho he was upset at his label situation, he still showed Cap love for what he earned off the 'Winter Warz' verse. I think this series is going to put alot more respect on Deck's name and help put his situation in perspective for people who don't know.

And Deck was doiny features every where in the late 90s... PR's Soul Survivor Album, Capital Punishment, Moment Of Truth

Also I never realized it but 'Liquid Swords' was the only solo album to have the entire clan featured during their 90s run