:huhldup: Gawker: We Need Fewer College Graduates

[No1]

Throw a stone... hide your hand... turn and run

Why respond to the thread at all....

A lot of other countries do national service. Much poorer countries than the US I might add, in many cases.

And travel can definitely expand horizons. Most Americans do not travel. Can you imagine the impact of, for example, a black kid going to a country where blacks are not given second class treatment? We live in a global economy and generally know little to nothing about the world we live in. There is definitely value in the gained perspective of travel.

But "run" to class.

I didn't really read this post thoroughly because frankly you rarely make much sense to me, and I get tired of lecturing you and you get tired of responding in an angry fashion so . But childish tactics like that to get a response are why I usually don't respond to you.

As far as @Serious goes, his response just shows what a proper liberal arts education would do for you. He wouldn't have to resort to false arguments to explain away why people disagree with him. For all the supposed liberal arts books you read online, you consistently seem to miss the part about pragmatism and practicality. General propositions are just that. I have third world heritage just like you do, so I'm well aware of what is preached as far as work ethic so it does get annoying that you keep pointing that as something that I'm missing, but living that and recognizing factual circumstances to the contrary for society at large are not mutually exclusive. Except for you. How exactly do you intend to implement this program...I can poke so many holes in it just from a logistical standpoint without even getting to whether or not it's even the proper solution. But let me know your plan first, so I can know which holes to poke.

Lastly, you're dapping up a guy who is saying that government subsidies are the sole cost of the rise of college tuition when college was only a luxury of the wealthy prior to government subsidizing it. Have you ever interned anywhere away from home....it's only the people who are getting paid jobs or come from money that can afford to do it. Rich white kids literally used to look at me and say, "only people like US can afford this," assuming I came from the same wealth as them and was not there based on scholarships and church fundraisers. People don't just automatically drop costs because the government won't subsidize it. It's merely one factor in the equation.

But no, I'm not going to devolve anything into a social discussion, you know how I feel about that. You give good personal advice, but not on stuff that has any place in discussions about American society at large.

 

[CouldntBeMeTho]

I dont really think this is capitalism anymore actually. more of a corporate welfare state. giant corporations get the laws passed to snuff out competition. they have their hands on most politicians. get big government contracts or bailouts. meanwhile the small fry is left with the check and gets indebted to servitude.

when wal-mart, mcdonalds and the prison industrial complex are our biggest employers, somethings gone wrong.

 

[Serious]

recognizing factual circumstances to the contrary for society at large are not mutually exclusive. Except for you.

How so, I'll willingly admit, I've grown quite a bit insensitive as of recently. I used to have a better , more grand, outlook on life, until i realized I was giving it too many individuals the benefit of the doubt.

Life isn't a utopia, sohh I just make sure to interrupt the facts along side the limiting reagent.

People are people and nothing really surprises me anymore.

How exactly do you intend to implement this program...I can poke so many holes in it just from a logistical standpoint without even getting to whether or not it's even the proper solution. But let me know your plan first, so I can know which holes to poke.

I'm just talking sh*t

Lastly, you're dapping up a guy who is saying that government subsidies are the sole cost of the rise of college tuition when college was only a luxury of the wealthy prior to government subsidizing it.

Yeah that's stupid. Never agreedd with that part. College has also been geared towards the people who could afford, this college for everyone is a relatively new concept. Great in theory though...

Have you ever interned anywhere away from home....it's only the people who are getting paid jobs or come from money that can afford to do it. Rich white kids literally used to look at me and say, "only people like US can afford this," assuming I came from the same wealth as them and was not there based on scholarships and church fundraisers.

Thought about it, still might. There's no hurry.

 

[Suicide King]

Yeah that's stupid. Never agreedd with that part. College has also been geared towards the people who could afford, this college for everyone is a relatively new concept. Great in theory though...

This is why I'm for people controlling their own destiny, instead of feeling that something is distasteful about studying Art History. This article doesn't only dump on Art History majors, but attacks all college majors because the author feels being college educate is only about a paycheck versus personal fulfillment and advancement.

 

[Reality Check]

IMO people need to start promoting Community Colleges as a legit alternative for the first two years of higher education. Get a late start on college #fukkery but save a shytload of money.

 

[PortCityProphet]

we do pay for kids to travel it's called the military

 

[Robbie3000]

So a higher education = job training now? I am not a snob, but judging from my small social group, I can usually tell who stopped their education at the high school level and who pursued higher education. Sounds to me like this guy is using the cost of college among other problems as a way to dissuade poor people from attending college.

We need more college grads especially in the black community.

 

[Shogun]

I agree, in part. Our current university system is one of the biggest institutionalized scams goin

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

So a higher education = job training now? I am not a snob, but judging from my small social group, I can usually tell who stopped their education at the high school level and who pursued higher education. Sounds to me like this guy is using the cost of college among other problems as a way to dissuade poor people from attending college.

We need more college grads especially in the black community.

U dont need to spend your life in debt to get a college education

Especially if said education won't land you a job

 

[Robbie3000]

U dont need to spend your life in debt to get a college education

Especially if said education won't land you a job

Poor people can obtain a bachelors degree with little to no debt if they realize the financial resources that are out there. And poor people being saddled with debt for pursuing a higher education is the least of our problems in the black community. placing too little value in education is the main problem.

This author sounds like he wants discourage people from attending college in order to ensure there is always a readily available class of disposable workers to work shytty low wage jobs in order to protect his ilks standing in society.

 

[88m3]

I'm guess they plan on strengthening the military? Because they certainly wont find jobs in manufacturing.

 

[the next guy]

So i guess you guys want the government to tell you what jobs they need you for and train you in that specialty.

Of course they dont need too many people educated. Whos going to flip burgers?

Don't mask your intentions by blaming the govt. You believe that the author is trying to create an underclass of minorities, by tell (black) kids not to go to school. That believe is ridiculous, and I know since my moms has said the same thing many times.

Can't cosign this. We should direct the kids to get useful degrees like medical, engineering,ect. Too many kids go to college and spen a bunch of money getting a degree that would never get them a job. I know a girl with a bachelors degree in modern dance

The problem isn't that too many people are paying for school. The problem is too many people paying for school that won't help them make money in the future.

And furthermore if we are gonna talk about school being too expensive, that's the fault of American capitalism. It doesn't cost a college 10k a year to teach each student. Schools should not be in the business of making money, an educated populace is essential for a successful future. Schools should quit looking at students as $ and start looking at them as investments in our future.

You'd be surprised at how many of the lower tier schools are losing money despit being tops in NCAA Division I-A for sports.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Poor people can obtain a bachelors degree with little to no debt if they realize the financial resources that are out there. And poor people being saddled with debt for pursuing a higher education is the least of our problems in the black community. placing too little value in education is the main problem.

This author sounds like he wants discourage people from attending college in order to ensure there is always a readily available class of disposable workers to work shytty low wage jobs in order to protect his ilks standing in society.

I think you are reading way too deep into dude's intentions dude. And how is a black person with a Starbucks job and a degree any better off than a black person w/just a Starbucks job? Game is changing as we speak, a history degree is nowhere near as big of a passport to prosperity as it used to be.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

You'd be surprised at how many of the lower tier schools are losing money despit being tops in NCAA Division I-A for sports.

The sports programs are loosing money, but the schools overall are always making a profit. And in reality they should just break even for sports programs, the student athletes aren't gettin paid. Any profit should go to lowering tuition or improving facilities.

 

[the next guy]

The sports programs are loosing money, but the schools overall are always making a profit. And in reality they should just break even for sports programs, the student athletes aren't gettin paid. Any profit should go to lowering tuition or improving facilities.

Of course. I wish we sports wasn't so big so blacks would focus more on academics. Why have dreams of being a doctor when you get easy money from football or basketball