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Kamala Harris' allies are worried that if Buttigieg challenges her in 2024 it would be ugly and help Republicans
Kamala Harris' allies are worried that if Buttigieg challenges her in 2024 it would be ugly and help Republicans
Robin Bravender
6-8 minutes
Democratic insiders are quietly discussing a 2024 race if Joe Biden opts out.
Kamala Harris' allies think she would face a tough primary against Pete Buttigieg.
One former Harris staffer called him a "very formidable candidate."
Vice President Kamala Harris' former staffers and fundraisers anticipate a potentially messy primary if she goes up against fellow Cabinet member Pete Buttigieg in a race for the White House.
A free-for-all Democratic presidential primary could come as early as 2024 if President Joe Biden decides he won't run for reelection, though he has said that he plans to. Some Democratic donors and strategists are already privately discussing what the field could look like in 2024 if Biden opts out.
One former rival who's firmly on Kamalaworld's radar: Buttigieg, the transportation secretary and former South Bend, Indiana, mayor who's the only other 2020 Democratic primary candidate now serving in the Biden administration.
A possible Harris versus Buttigieg contest is at least a few years off, but the topic has gotten more attention now that donors who support Buttigieg have been strategizing about how to prod him to run in 2024 if there's an open seat, as Insider recently reported.
"I have no doubt that he's going to run and he's not going to need much persuading," said Steve Phillips, a longtime Harris fundraiser and a San Francisco-based Democratic donor who founded the organization Democracy in Color. The early organization of Buttigieg donors "is going to piss off some significant set of people," Phillips said. "The K-Hive is a very energetic and fiercely loyal constituency."
People close to Buttigieg are stressing that he's not behind the donors' 2024 strategizing, and people close to Buttigieg and Harris say they've become friendly as colleagues in the Biden administration and are focused on their current jobs.
Some of Harris' allies are irked by what they view as contrasting media coverage surrounding the vice president and the transportation secretary early in the administration. Harris has faced criticism for dysfunction in her office, a botched immigration interview, and appearing in a space video with child actors.
"Pete's getting a lot of wonderful stories," one former Harris donor said. "People have such a positive feeling of Pete. It's just this fuzzy feeling. The only news we hear about him is that he adopted two kids."
Insider interviewed a dozen former Harris staffers, fundraisers, and Washington Democratic insiders about early discussions of a 2024 presidential primary. Most of them spoke on background to avoid gaming out future White House elections before Biden makes a formal announcement about whether he'll seek a second term or bow out of presidential politics after finally fulfilling his longtime career goal.
pete buttigieg embraces chasten buttigieg in front of american flags while vice president kamala harris looks on
Pete Buttigieg embraces his husband, Chasten Buttigieg, after being sworn in as transportation secretary by Vice President Kamala Harris in February.
Official White House Photo by Lawrence Jackson
Buttigieg seen as a 'very formidable candidate'
There's broad consensus that a potential Harris versus Buttigieg contest could be divisive for the party, and some are worried it could weaken Democrats' chances of defeating the Republican nominee.
"It would be messy, and honestly I don't know if Secretary Buttigieg wants that smoke, given what ultimately limited his campaign in 2020 — that it was viewed to be not diverse, not representative of a changing country, that it was essentially viewed as a way station for disaffected white liberals," said a Democratic strategist who has worked for past presidential campaigns.
Democratic insiders also stress that Harris and Buttigieg aren't the only Democrats who could run in 2024 if Biden doesn't. Stacey Abrams, Cory Booker, Elizabeth Warren, and Virginia gubernatorial hopeful Terry McAuliffe are among the names that get mentioned.
But Harris and Buttigieg are viewed as two of the most likely contenders, given their ages, loyal followings, and high-ranking positions in the Biden administration.
A former Harris staffer also predicted a potentially "messy" primary, adding that Buttigieg would be a "very formidable candidate" in the next Democratic presidential primary. There has been tension between Harris and Buttigieg since the 2020 primary, the former Harris staffer said. "On some level, some people in her orbit felt like he sucked some of the wind out of her sails."
Harris dropped out of the race in December 2019 before any of the state nominating contests even occurred, falling short of her supporters' expectations. Harris told supporters at the time that she didn't have enough money to continue. Buttigieg went on to win the Iowa Democratic caucuses in February but dropped out in March after coming in a distant fourth in the South Carolina primary.
Biden picked Harris as his vice-presidential nominee in August 2020; he nominated Buttigieg that December to lead the Transportation Department.
For Harris to succeed in a future Democratic presidential primary, "she's got to prove that she can build a winning campaign," the former Harris staffer said. "She's got to go win. I don't think she's got a stranglehold on the party. I don't think it's like Al Gore for Bill Clinton."
Harris made history as the first woman and the first person of color to be elected vice president, but even many of her allies expect her to face a crowded field of challengers.
"I fully expect that the next presidential election is going to be fiercely contested," Phillips said. He pointed to the more than two dozen Democrats who ran in 2020. "This is not 1980, where Vice President Mondale is presumed to be the Democratic nominee."
Another Democratic strategist agreed that Harris' position as vice president won't mean that she automatically clears the field in 2024, or even in 2028.
"I think a bunch of other candidates say, 'You're not the anointed one here,'" the strategist said.
Kamala Harris' allies are worried that if Buttigieg challenges her in 2024 it would be ugly and help Republicans
Robin Bravender
6-8 minutes
Democratic insiders are quietly discussing a 2024 race if Joe Biden opts out.
Kamala Harris' allies think she would face a tough primary against Pete Buttigieg.
One former Harris staffer called him a "very formidable candidate."
Vice President Kamala Harris' former staffers and fundraisers anticipate a potentially messy primary if she goes up against fellow Cabinet member Pete Buttigieg in a race for the White House.
A free-for-all Democratic presidential primary could come as early as 2024 if President Joe Biden decides he won't run for reelection, though he has said that he plans to. Some Democratic donors and strategists are already privately discussing what the field could look like in 2024 if Biden opts out.
One former rival who's firmly on Kamalaworld's radar: Buttigieg, the transportation secretary and former South Bend, Indiana, mayor who's the only other 2020 Democratic primary candidate now serving in the Biden administration.
A possible Harris versus Buttigieg contest is at least a few years off, but the topic has gotten more attention now that donors who support Buttigieg have been strategizing about how to prod him to run in 2024 if there's an open seat, as Insider recently reported.
"I have no doubt that he's going to run and he's not going to need much persuading," said Steve Phillips, a longtime Harris fundraiser and a San Francisco-based Democratic donor who founded the organization Democracy in Color. The early organization of Buttigieg donors "is going to piss off some significant set of people," Phillips said. "The K-Hive is a very energetic and fiercely loyal constituency."
People close to Buttigieg are stressing that he's not behind the donors' 2024 strategizing, and people close to Buttigieg and Harris say they've become friendly as colleagues in the Biden administration and are focused on their current jobs.
Some of Harris' allies are irked by what they view as contrasting media coverage surrounding the vice president and the transportation secretary early in the administration. Harris has faced criticism for dysfunction in her office, a botched immigration interview, and appearing in a space video with child actors.
"Pete's getting a lot of wonderful stories," one former Harris donor said. "People have such a positive feeling of Pete. It's just this fuzzy feeling. The only news we hear about him is that he adopted two kids."
Insider interviewed a dozen former Harris staffers, fundraisers, and Washington Democratic insiders about early discussions of a 2024 presidential primary. Most of them spoke on background to avoid gaming out future White House elections before Biden makes a formal announcement about whether he'll seek a second term or bow out of presidential politics after finally fulfilling his longtime career goal.
pete buttigieg embraces chasten buttigieg in front of american flags while vice president kamala harris looks on
Pete Buttigieg embraces his husband, Chasten Buttigieg, after being sworn in as transportation secretary by Vice President Kamala Harris in February.
Official White House Photo by Lawrence Jackson
Buttigieg seen as a 'very formidable candidate'
There's broad consensus that a potential Harris versus Buttigieg contest could be divisive for the party, and some are worried it could weaken Democrats' chances of defeating the Republican nominee.
"It would be messy, and honestly I don't know if Secretary Buttigieg wants that smoke, given what ultimately limited his campaign in 2020 — that it was viewed to be not diverse, not representative of a changing country, that it was essentially viewed as a way station for disaffected white liberals," said a Democratic strategist who has worked for past presidential campaigns.
Democratic insiders also stress that Harris and Buttigieg aren't the only Democrats who could run in 2024 if Biden doesn't. Stacey Abrams, Cory Booker, Elizabeth Warren, and Virginia gubernatorial hopeful Terry McAuliffe are among the names that get mentioned.
But Harris and Buttigieg are viewed as two of the most likely contenders, given their ages, loyal followings, and high-ranking positions in the Biden administration.
A former Harris staffer also predicted a potentially "messy" primary, adding that Buttigieg would be a "very formidable candidate" in the next Democratic presidential primary. There has been tension between Harris and Buttigieg since the 2020 primary, the former Harris staffer said. "On some level, some people in her orbit felt like he sucked some of the wind out of her sails."
Harris dropped out of the race in December 2019 before any of the state nominating contests even occurred, falling short of her supporters' expectations. Harris told supporters at the time that she didn't have enough money to continue. Buttigieg went on to win the Iowa Democratic caucuses in February but dropped out in March after coming in a distant fourth in the South Carolina primary.
Biden picked Harris as his vice-presidential nominee in August 2020; he nominated Buttigieg that December to lead the Transportation Department.
For Harris to succeed in a future Democratic presidential primary, "she's got to prove that she can build a winning campaign," the former Harris staffer said. "She's got to go win. I don't think she's got a stranglehold on the party. I don't think it's like Al Gore for Bill Clinton."
Harris made history as the first woman and the first person of color to be elected vice president, but even many of her allies expect her to face a crowded field of challengers.
"I fully expect that the next presidential election is going to be fiercely contested," Phillips said. He pointed to the more than two dozen Democrats who ran in 2020. "This is not 1980, where Vice President Mondale is presumed to be the Democratic nominee."
Another Democratic strategist agreed that Harris' position as vice president won't mean that she automatically clears the field in 2024, or even in 2028.
"I think a bunch of other candidates say, 'You're not the anointed one here,'" the strategist said.
They lose the House, Senate and white house with their great immigration messaging.
masters of messaging.
The only folks in here saying they're offended are the same folks always talking about how they aren't voting for Dems. You included.
The Republicans won the White House, Senate, and House largely because of their messaging on immigration.
They lost mostly due to incompetent handing of COVID, and Trump generally agitating a lot of people.
They're probably not wrong, but I think both are very weak candidates in a general election.
I'm hoping Kamala decides not to run (nothing against her personally but she loses to DeSantis or Trump) and Buttigeg loses the primary again if he does.
Granted I don't have any preferred candidate, it's way too early, Dems would be better off with someone without Kamala or Buttigeg's baggage.
that'll happen when you are staying up all day and night thinking of how to improve the lives of the american people
#SleepyJoe
Pete is playing the gay angle too much IMO. Democrats are tolerant. They’re not endorsing Pete’s lifestyle. Republicans got away with their gay staffers by not making people think about it.
i'm blaming the internet:
Secure Da Bag
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Boy up at 5am with me on their mind.
I checked the coli before work and saw an alert. My bad.
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Fast Money & Foreign Objects
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Fast Money & Foreign Objects
This country man...Is this real?
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Fast Money & Foreign Objects
Buttigieg may beat Kamala heads up but would probably also lose worse in a general than she would
