How will Joe Biden GOVERN? General Biden Administration F**kery Thread

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The first five minutes or so of this clip show Exxon Mobil lobbyists speaking on Biden’s infrastructure plan and which congressional members they’ve been working to fight it...of course some unsurprising democrats are named (maybe a couple you wouldn’t think of as well). The whole clip has gems. I almost made a thread for it, but I think it’s suitable here since the infrastructure bill fight has been a focal point and the watering down of that legislation has been so obvious. Joe manchin, Exxon’s “king-maker” :snoop:

 

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Your conclusions - not backed by any data - and unsurprisingly supported by Crimsontider - are wrong.


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Murders began to uptick in the early stages of the pandemic, there was a surge in the early stages of the summer while the protests were happening (I.e. cops not doing their jobs and people not trusting cops so they don’t call them), and then again in the fall when a lot of the benefits expired. You also misrepresented what defund stood for.
No, I’m not wrong

I was the one stating that Covid led to an increase in murders.

police taking a step back is apart of it but it’s also hard to measure
Ah we've reached the point where we can't talk about the realities of crime because everyone is good people that just needs government assistance. :russ:

let @King Kreole tell it

nikkas wouldn’t be shooting if they had basketball courts and social workers

I disagree, PDs should be defunded. Obviously not to the bare minimum but I agree with the rest of what you said. It can be reformed and crime can be dealt with at the same time, money should be diverted to social programs and you are absolutely right about demilitarization that has been absent throughout this whole conversation. The whole crime wave we’re seeing is a multifaceted but majority of people don’t want to admit it or take the time to see it and I understand, if you’re living through it you just want results but we’ve tried this tough on crime bs before and we’re right back to where we started.

you kind of taking both sides of the argument

crime has been on a steady decrease since the mid 90s so “tough on crime” as you call it did work

the defund crowd loves to pretend like their aren’t social workers, after school programs and resources being poured in.

none of that has to do with people committing crimes now. Those people need to be policed
 

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You endorsed the 80s and 90s tough-on-crime policies, bredrin. You said what you believe in.
Everyone endorsed the 90s crime bill. The 94 crime bill, banned AKs, choppers and Dracos :manny:

something that everyone would support now

the 80s mandatory minimum stuff was a huge problem
 

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This thread is gross and sad, lol. This many post of people not being to admit regret, smh.
 

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Everyone endorsed the 90s crime bill. The 94 crime bill, banned AKs, choppers and Dracos :manny:

something that everyone would support now

the 80s mandatory minimum stuff was a huge problem
Like I said, you endorsed it. Those are your words.
 

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No, I’m not wrong

I was the one stating that Covid led to an increase in murders.

police taking a step back is apart of it but it’s also hard to measure


let @King Kreole tell it

nikkas wouldn’t be shooting if they had basketball courts and social workers



you kind of taking both sides of the argument

crime has been on a steady decrease since the mid 90s so “tough on crime” as you call it did work

the defund crowd loves to pretend like their aren’t social workers, after school programs and resources being poured in.

none of that has to do with people committing crimes now. Those people need to be policed

That correlation is shoddy at best because crime rates steadily decreased in other nations that didn't enact Broken Windows style policing. There are other theories like the security hypothesis that could explain the crime drop and why it's consistent in areas that didn't enact "tough on crime" concepts.

The defund crowd doesn't pretend there aren't social workers and after-school programs. They typically point to data showing those programs as effective and thus deserving of more resources. Early Intervention is valuable. Social Workers have proven effective in programs like CAHOOTS. So it would be self-defeating to pretend that this stuff doesn't exist. Instead, they want to make more people aware that it exists and how it works, thus helping to encourage more resources put into that bucket instead of being thrown into policing as a one-size-fits-all solution (Sidenote: this is a defund-focused argument and not an abolish-based one...I'm for reduced police budgets, not elimination of policing entirely).
 
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