How will Joe Biden GOVERN? General Biden Administration F**kery Thread

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no, this post is bullshyt. the democrats could write a straightforward trillion dollar bill that the republicans would have no excuse not to vote for, but they wont do that. theyre gonna stuff it with pork and left wing ideology

which is completely fine, but get outta here with this "republicans wouldnt spend a dime". that isnt true :mjlol:
Trump and the republicans had congress and the presidency just a few years ago. They cared about getting tax cuts for rich people and large corporations. They could have done a bill then. Even after if Trump suggested a bill it likely would have got done.

They don’t care about a bill. Just like they reverted to talking about the deficit after they got their tax cuts through and lost the presidency.

Republicans will obstruct everything Biden attempts to do until they can get power back and do more tax cuts for wealthy people.
 

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This is BS, they literally don't want to pass an Infrastructure bill unless it's under a Republican president. Trump would likely attack anyone who voted for it.

Mitch is going to tell them not to vote for it regardless. They would just make up some new excuse. Dems would be fools to gut their own bill only for it to fail anyway.
They are just posturing to give Republicans a chance to come to the table over the next few months. Ultimately, they will have to do it through reconciliation because Republicans in DC know they only have to do three things to satisfy their base:

1. Liberal tears

2. Supreme Court

3. Liberal tears

Working on bipartisan issues to build a coalition of support in a reasonable manner blows up their entire objective.
for the record; im not against you guys :dead: we all want the same thing to happen. biden to make a huge infrastructure bill to happen. and we all know the republicans dont want to give biden a win

im just not seeing the bills path in the way you guys are. i guess well find out soon enough
 

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nah, biden put their backs on the wall. it was an expert move tbh. he wants 3 or 5 or whatever, so theyre all saying theyd do a trillion

its not complicated. republicans CANT say they wont even do a trillion for infrastructure, its a fukking terrible look politically. they cant let the dems own the issue of fixing up america and not even come to the table

plus, we're talking about politicians. listening to some of these idiots in here distracts from the fact that these fukkin thief republicans are gonna have their hands all over the money too :dead: contractors and unions are gonna be all over this shyt, on both sides of the aisle

you think republicans are gonna pass up doling out a trillion dollars to their criminal business associates, just so they can tell their idiot voters that they owned the libs :russ:
Breh, I think you’re giving them too much credit. The Republican Party hasn’t demonstrated that they actually want to spend money on anything other than the military and the wall. They had control of the government under Trump and couldn’t get the infrastructure package done.

They’ll just vote no and try to take credit for the good stuff like they’re doing with the COVID package.
 

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Trump and the republicans had congress and the presidency just a few years ago. They cared about getting tax cuts for rich people and large corporations. They could have done a bill then. Even after if Trump suggested a bill it likely would have got done.

They don’t care about a bill. Just like they reverted to talking about the deficit after they got their tax cuts through and lost the presidency.

Republicans will obstruct everything Biden attempts to do until they can get power back and do more tax cuts for wealthy people.
again, i dont disagree with any of this :yeshrug:

the question is does 1 of 2 things happen

-biden gets 51 votes to force through a huge reconciliation bill
-biden gets realistic and forces the republicans to sign off on a trillion, because not signing off on a trillion is terrible politics for them that will go badly with their voters and special interests

i cant call it :ehh:
 

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Breh, I think you’re giving them too much credit. The Republican Party hasn’t demonstrated that they actually want to spend money on anything other than the military and the wall. They had control of the government under Trump and couldn’t get the infrastructure package done.

They’ll just vote no and try to take credit for the good stuff like they’re doing with the COVID package.
dems shaming them in front of the country will go farther than you think :yeshrug:

they all have midterms to win. "i wouldnt spend money on your roads" is not a winning message for an incumbent republican, against a primary OR a dem challenger
 

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again, i dont disagree with any of this :yeshrug:

the question is does 1 of 2 things happen

-biden gets 51 votes to force through a huge reconciliation bill
-biden gets realistic and forces the republicans to sign off on a trillion, because not signing off on a trillion is terrible politics for them that will go badly with their voters and special interests

i cant call it :ehh:
The republicans aren't ever going to sign off on anything from the Biden administration. Biden only has 2 options to get anything done. reconciliation or removal of the filibuster.

You seem to think that the republican voters will ever hold them accountable for anything anymore. They won't. Did you just not watch what happened the last year? It literally came down to a few thousand votes in a handful of states blocking Trump from the presidency. Trump was arguably the worst president in the last several decades and he increased his support with republicans. I think you should stop dreaming of a day voters demand republicans do more than cut taxes for wealthy people, fund wars, cut regulations, and obstruct everything else.
dems shaming them in front of the country will go farther than you think :yeshrug:
No it won't. The continued existence of their party defies all logic when you look at what they do as a party and their most devote voters.
 

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Big eyes on who the DOJ AntiTrust Chief will be... Google's power is all over the fukking place





President Joe Biden’s search for the Justice Department’s top trust-busting role is being bogged down by ethics concerns, both about candidates who have represented Silicon Valley’s giants and those who have represented critics of the big tech companies.

The debate is now imperiling the prospects for the favorite candidate of progressives who are eager to rein in the power of Silicon Valley.

Specifically, White House ethics officials are raising objections about DOJ antitrust candidates who have represented critics of big tech companies like Google, Facebook or Apple, people familiar with the deliberations told POLITICO. Those concerns prompted one prime candidate for the department’s top antitrust role to pull herself out of the running, the people said. And they would also pose a major obstacle to Biden hiring Jonathan Kanter, a progressive favorite who has represented many clients with complaints about Google.


At the very least, the ethics standards as interpreted by the Biden team would force Kanter to recuse himself from the antitrust suit that DOJ filed against Google in October, the people said. The Trump administration took a more lenient approach, hiring top DOJ antitrust officials from law firms who represent Google complainers.

Biden already faces pressure from the left not to hire lawyers who have worked for major Silicon Valley companies — another restriction that is putting the White House in a bind as it tries to find an assistant attorney general for antitrust.


Jeff Hauser of the Revolving Door Project, a unit of the nonprofit Center for Economic and Policy Research that scrutinizes the background of executive branch officials, called it "ridiculous" to impose a blanket restriction on candidates who represented those with complaints against Google.

“Google, at some level, is kind of like Roe v. Wade for a Supreme Court nominee,” said Hauser, referring to the seminal decision allowing access to abortion. “It’s implausible that you lack an opinion on the matter.”

Antitrust relies on private parties and plaintiffs to help enforce the law, said Hauser, who worked at the DOJ’s antitrust division early in his career. The Google case involves “a massive monopoly that is economy-wide in its implications. What businesses don’t have interests one way or the other with respect to Google?”


The ethics questions have already knocked out Terrell McSweeny, a former Biden aide and former Federal Trade Commission member seen as a centrist on tech issues, who had been considered a favorite for the DOJ role. She removed herself from consideration after White House ethics advisers said her work for companies that complained about Google would require her recusal from the antitrust case against the search giant, three people familiar with the situation said.

McSweeny’s law firm, Covington & Burling, also frequently represents Facebook. That would have hampered her involvement in DOJ’s antitrust oversight of the social network, because of ethics rules prohibiting Biden appointees from work involving their former employers for two years.

Similar questions would face Kanter, who represents multiple complainants involved in the Google antitrust probe as well as companies that have raised antitrust concerns to the Justice Department about Apple.

Kanter, who opened his own law firm in September, previously worked for a firm that represents Mastercard, Uber and Amazon on antitrust issues — likely requiring him to recuse himself from any DOJ cases involving those companies as well.

The other major candidate for DOJ antitrust chief, former Obama administration lawyer Jonathan Sallet, would face fewer ethics obstacles — despite working for the state of Colorado and a multistate coalition of attorneys general on a parallel antitrust case filed against Google in December. That’s because the ethics officials view the states as sovereign entities rather than parties soliciting action from the Justice Department, the people familiar with the situation said. They all spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss internal administration deliberations.

Sallet is not without his detractors, despite getting praise from Nebraska’s Republican attorney general, Doug Peterson, for shepherding the states’ case on Google search. Others in both Republican and Democratic attorneys general offices remain resentful over bruising internal fights last summer concerning whether states should join the Justice Department’s antitrust suit if it was filed before Election Day, two people involved in the coalition said. Sallet was a key player in persuading most states to stay out of the Trump administration's case. He also served as the primary author of the states’ complaint, a role where he was the arbiter on which allegations made the cut and which didn’t.

POLITICO reported that Sallet was under consideration for a top antitrust post, Kanter’s supporters have continued to agitate for him as a potentially “transformational” figure for antitrust. The progressive nonprofit American Prospect called the choice between Sallet and Kanter one between “good and great.”

Earlier in the process, the White House also considered Richard Parker, a partner at Gibson Dunn & Crutcher, and Stanford Law School’s Doug Melamed for the top DOJ role, three people with knowledge of the discussions said. Parker led the FTC’s Bureau of Competition during the Bill Clinton administration and was rumored to be under consideration to run the agency if Hillary Clinton won the election in 2016. Melamed previously worked at the DOJ’s antitrust division, where he was involved in its yearslong antitrust suit against Microsoft. He later served as Intel’s general counsel before moving to academia.

However, Parker represents Amazon as well as companies that have complained about Google. His law firm has also long represented Apple on antitrust issues, probably making the conflicts insurmountable.

Kanter would need several waivers to take the job.

Justice Department ethics rules require officials to avoid the appearance of loss of impartiality, though more senior DOJ officials can waive the need for an individual’s recusal if their participation outweighs concerns that the department’s integrity would be questioned.


Biden administration’s ethics pledge requires an individual to refrain from participating in any matter involving his or her former employer or clients for two years. That restriction can also be waived if it is in “the public interest.”

Neither is impossible. In the early 2000s, Parker obtained a waiver to represent the FTC in its case against Intel, even though his former law firm, O’Melveny & Myers, represented chipmaker Advanced Micro Devices, the main complainant in the case. (Incidentally, one of the main O’Melveny & Myers lawyers representing AMD was Sallet.)

But it remains unclear whether the White House is willing to go to the mat for Kanter when candidates with fewer conflicts remain a possibility.

In a virtual interview with POLITICO’s Playbook on Thursday, White House chief of staff Ron Klain declined to comment on Sallet’s potential candidacy for the assistant attorney general role.

“We’re going to run through the process,” Klain said. “We need to tackle some of the ‘bigness’ in our country and we need to make sure that we have a system that is working for the middle class and consumers.”
 

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The republicans aren't ever going to sign off on anything from the Biden administration. Biden only has 2 options to get anything done. reconciliation or removal of the filibuster.

You seem to think that the republican voters will ever hold them accountable for anything anymore. They won't. Did you just not watch what happened the last year? It literally came down to a few thousand votes in a handful of states blocking Trump from the presidency. Trump was arguably the worst president in the last several decades and he increased his support with republicans. I think you should stop dreaming of a day voters demand republicans do more than cut taxes for wealthy people, fund wars, cut regulations, and obstruct everything else.

No it won't. The continued existence of their party defies all logic when you look at what they do as a party and their most devote voters.

Came in to say exactly this :wow:

You can't shame Republicans, that just doesn't work. This is a party that caters to Donald Trump's every whim and thinks nothing is wrong with that. They're going to vote against any Democratic legislation just off GP, same as they did during Obama's presidency. There is no reason to think anything will be different. Literally the only thing that would make them support a Dem bill would be if Trump told them to (and he won't).
 

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The republicans aren't ever going to sign off on anything from the Biden administration. Biden only has 2 options to get anything done. reconciliation or removal of the filibuster.

You seem to think that the republican voters will ever hold them accountable for anything anymore. They won't. Did you just not watch what happened the last year? It literally came down to a few thousand votes in a handful of states blocking Trump from the presidency. Trump was arguably the worst president in the last several decades and he increased his support with republicans. I think you should stop dreaming of a day voters demand republicans do more than cut taxes for wealthy people, fund wars, cut regulations, and obstruct everything else.

No it won't. The continued existence of their party defies all logic when you look at what they do as a party and their most devote voters.

Came in to say exactly this :wow:

You can't shame Republicans, that just doesn't work. This is a party that caters to Donald Trump's every whim and thinks nothing is wrong with that. They're going to vote against any Democratic legislation just off GP, same as they did during Obama's presidency. There is no reason to think anything will be different. Literally the only thing that would make them support a Dem bill would be if Trump told them to (and he won't).
this is bullshyt :yeshrug: but whatever. keep living in political fear of republicans i guess :dead:

you know why you're both wrong? because if biden put a 500 billion dollar, straightforward bill out, with no pork, it would pass with 60 votes. are you saying that isnt true :dahell:
 

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you know why you're both wrong? because if biden put a 500 billion dollar, straightforward bill out, with no pork, it would pass with 60 votes. are you saying that isnt true :dahell:

A $500 billion infrastructure bill is pitiful for a country this size. :why:

You are inherently unserious about this issue, just like the Rethuglicans, which is you're in here :cape: so hard.
 
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