How will Joe Biden GOVERN? General Biden Administration F**kery Thread

[AquaCityBoy]

Actually it would

Laurence Tribe explains how 14th Amendment can help Biden avoid default

Constitutional scholar Laurence Tribe says in requiring the president to pay U.S. debts it supersedes debt-limit law, breaks impasse over GOP demands.

news.harvard.edu

GAZETTE: Could Congress argue that by ignoring the debt ceiling President Biden is usurping its “power of the purse”?

TRIBE: Not easily. He isn’t threatening to spend money that Congress hasn’t authorized and appropriated the way Secretary of Health and Human Services [Sylvia Mathews] Burwell did in 2015 with respect to the Affordable Care Act, leading the House of Representatives to sue her in a case that today would clearly require both the House and the Senate to join as plaintiffs because the Supreme Court in 2019 held, in a case brought by the Virginia House of Delegates, that a single House of a bicameral legislature “lacks capacity to assert interests belonging to the legislature as a whole.”

Obviously, today’s Senate wouldn’t join the House in suing President Biden but, if it would, the claim would have to be not that he’s spending money without congressional authorization but that he’s letting the Treasury Department borrow money Congress hasn’t authorized it to borrow under the power that Article I, Section 8, Clause 2 gives Congress to “borrow Money on the credit of the United States.” And such a suit would put any court in a terrible bind because it would have to choose among options none of which would leave all the laws of the U.S. intact.

Either the laws creating duties to individuals and corporations to whom the U.S. has a debt would be abrogated, in violation of the 14th Amendment, or the law capping what Treasury can borrow would be abrogated, in violation of that one law. A presidential choice to abrogate that one law instead of all the others — and the Constitution to boot — would be hard for any court to overturn.

It's not happening.



Biden is already caving on the work requirements. He'll cut a deal with McCarthy because he agrees with him.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

It's not happening.



Biden is already caving on the work requirements. He'll cut a deal with McCarthy because he agrees with him.

That’s fine but don’t straight up say bullshyt that isn’t true like “it wouldn’t work” Biden is choosing to hurt Americans and not standing up for the people who voted for him.

Call a spade a spade

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

Biden is actively choosing to harm Americans in the lower class over just raising taxes on the rich and corporations or doing the right thing and using the 14th amendment. This kills any good will he has at least for me. He can go fukk himself as far as I'm concerned for choosing to negotiate with people who are literally terrorists over protecting the American people.

He doesn't give a fukk about Americans and would rather be friends with the literal enemy of the state. fukk him and every other centrist democrat that hates the average American. Hell fukk centrists everywhere. fukking garbage humans, nothing but a bunch of cowards.

Agreed fukk macron too.

Centrist = too scared to admit they right wingers

 

[AquaCityBoy]

That’s fine but don’t straight up say bullshyt that isn’t true like “it wouldn’t work” Biden is choosing to hurt Americans and not standing up for the people who voted for him.

Call a spade a spade

It still wouldn't work.

It is extremely delusional to think he could do this and everything would be hunky dory by June 1. It's going to get challenged in court and there won't be a decision by the deadline, so the economy is still in a state of flux in the meantime. Unless congress is going to agree to suspend the debt limit until the case makes its way through the courts, which they won't. If they were serious about this they would have done it in January.

And none of this fukking matters because it was never going to happen. The 14th Amendment was never going to be an option, and it didn't need to be. Biden just blinked first.

 

[Pressure]

It still wouldn't work.

It is extremely delusional to think he could do this and everything would be hunky dory by June 1. It's going to get challenged in court and there won't be a decision by the deadline, so the economy is still in a state of flux in the meantime. Unless congress is going to agree to suspend the debt limit until the case makes its way through the courts, which they won't. If they were serious about this they would have done it in January.

And none of this fukking matters because it was never going to happen. The 14th Amendment was never going to be an option, and it didn't need to be. Biden just blinked first.

They learned nothing from the student debt relief ordeal.

 

[AquaCityBoy]

They learned nothing from the student debt relief ordeal.

The eviction moratorium too.

And the inital end to Title 42.

It's so unserious. How many times are people going to demand Biden do an executive order and the courts go, "LOL, no," before people realize it's not that fukking simple?

 

[Hood Critic]

The problem with this conversation is, per the usual, people don't really understand everything that is going on.

There are 2 issues here, the debt ceiling AND the budget - they are not one in the same. The 14th amendment or just minting the Barack H Obama trillion dollar coin is only a resolution to the debt ceiling, it does not solve or address budget negotiations. So all of that could happen and the administration would be right back in this fight in 2 months.

The administration is attempting to negotiate both issues in one so that they don't have to do this song and dance again in the next 60-90 days and because you have a weak speaker of the house who is at the mercy of his caucus. So he could blow everything up just because he wants to save his job.

Y'all have to stop ignoring the fact that the GOP has a majority- slim but still a majority - in the house, Dems don't have any choice but to try and find some common ground.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

It still wouldn't work.

It is extremely delusional to think he could do this and everything would be hunky dory by June 1. It's going to get challenged in court and there won't be a decision by the deadline, so the economy is still in a state of flux in the meantime. Unless congress is going to agree to suspend the debt limit until the case makes its way through the courts, which they won't. If they were serious about this they would have done it in January.

And none of this fukking matters because it was never going to happen. The 14th Amendment was never going to be an option, and it didn't need to be. Biden just blinked first.

Are you a constitutional scholar? If not, do you believe your opinion means more than that of an expert in the field

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

 

[Pressure]

Sometimes I wish Bernie was president just so he’d have to be serious.

 

[AquaCityBoy]

Are you a constitutional scholar? If not, do you believe your opinion means more than that of an expert in the field

This isn't my opinion. It's the opinion of the last three Democratic presidents, the treasury secretary, two constitutional scholars, and senators and congresspeople who actually support using the 14th amendment. There's a reason they say this is an absolute last resort if talks fall through.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

This isn't my opinion. It's the opinion of the last three Democratic presidents, the treasury secretary, two constitutional scholars, and senators and congresspeople who actually support using the 14th amendment. There's a reason they say this is an absolute last resort if talks fall through.

It absolutely is your opinion. Pretty much every expert who's spoken on this says it will work. Centrists and conservative Dem's are more concerned about preserving norms than helping the American people. That's the problem here.

 

[Hood Critic]

Negotiating the debt ceiling in the lame duck was definitely more desirable but this narrative that Dems and the administration don't care about helping American people is weird. The omnibus bill contains several quality of life improvements for the American people:

• Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act
• CHIPS and Science Act of 2022
• housing assistance including $3.6 billion for Homeless Assistance Grants, $2 billion for the Rural Housing Service, $1.5 billion for the HOME Investment Partnerships Program, $1.435 billion for the Housing for the Elderly and Housing for Persons with Disabilities program, and new incremental Section 8 Housing Choice Vouchers to support over 11,700 additional low-income households.
• Investing in education including increasing the maximum Pell Grant award to $7,395, $18.387 billion for Title I-A grants, and $1.2 billion for TRIO to support more than 800,000 low-income first generation students get into college and succeed when they’re there.
• Supporting child care by investing $8 billion for the Child Care and Development Block Grant, and nearly $12 billion for Head Start.
• Providing $5 billion for the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP) to help families address the rising cost of energy.

This is only some of them directly from the omnibus legislation itself United States Senate Committee on Appropriations

I'll be the first to admit that Schumer definitely wasted the lame duck and more could have been done but let's not act like Dems did nothing for the people.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Negotiating the debt ceiling in the lame duck was definitely more desirable but this narrative that Dems and the administration don't care about helping American people is weird. The omnibus bill contains several quality of life improvements for the American people:

• Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act
• CHIPS and Science Act of 2022
• housing assistance including $3.6 billion for Homeless Assistance Grants, $2 billion for the Rural Housing Service, $1.5 billion for the HOME Investment Partnerships Program, $1.435 billion for the Housing for the Elderly and Housing for Persons with Disabilities program, and new incremental Section 8 Housing Choice Vouchers to support over 11,700 additional low-income households.
• Investing in education including increasing the maximum Pell Grant award to $7,395, $18.387 billion for Title I-A grants, and $1.2 billion for TRIO to support more than 800,000 low-income first generation students get into college and succeed when they’re there.
• Supporting child care by investing $8 billion for the Child Care and Development Block Grant, and nearly $12 billion for Head Start.
• Providing $5 billion for the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP) to help families address the rising cost of energy.

This is only some of them directly from the omnibus legislation itself United States Senate Committee on Appropriations

I'll be the first to admit that Schumer definitely wasted the lame duck and more could have been done but let's not act like Dems did nothing for the people.

Biden better no fukking agree to anything with these people. Use the fukking 14th amendment and be done with it. The below is what will happen if this old man caves.

What Happens if President Biden Caves on the Debt Ceiling?

Today’s X-Date: A two-year spending cap is going to harm millions of Americans.

prospect.org

But the practical consequences will also be terrible. We don’t know the details yet, but returning to fiscal year 2022 budget levels would mean an immediate cut of about 13 percent to every government agency and program (thanks to an unusually large spending increase in 2023 to account for economic growth, high inflation, and a few additional programs). If defense and border cops are exempted, then the cut will be perhaps 22 percent.

Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-CT), the ranking member on the House Appropriations Committee, solicited estimates from various government departments on what that 22 percent cut would mean. They told her that just for starters, 60,000 people would not be able to attend college; 200,000 children would get kicked off Head Start; 100,000 families would lose child care; and 1.2 million people would be removed from WIC nutrition assistance.

One hundred twenty-five air traffic control towers would be shut down, affecting one-third of airports, and no doubt worsening the chronic snarls in American air travel. Rail safety inspections would be cut back by 11,000 work days, meaning 30,000 miles of track going uninspected. (More dangerous chemical spills, here we come!) Some 640,000 families would lose rental assistance, and 430,000 more would be evicted from Section 8 housing. And even all that isn’t the whole list of carnage.

 

[Hood Critic]

The problem with this conversation is, per the usual, people don't really understand everything that is going on.

There are 2 issues here, the debt ceiling AND the budget - they are not one in the same. The 14th amendment or just minting the Barack H Obama trillion dollar coin is only a resolution to the debt ceiling, it does not solve or address budget negotiations. So all of that could happen and the administration would be right back in this fight in 2 months.

The administration is attempting to negotiate both issues in one so that they don't have to do this song and dance again in the next 60-90 days and because you have a weak speaker of the house who is at the mercy of his caucus. So he could blow everything up just because he wants to save his job.

Y'all have to stop ignoring the fact that the GOP has a majority- slim but still a majority - in the house, Dems don't have any choice but to try and find some common ground.

@Godless Liberal CEO