Our proof is the Qur'an
But my job isnt to convince you. You already have your mind made up.
Go visit Mecca and Medina. Go to his grave.
How the Quran was formed. (Historical Breakdown)
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But my job isnt to convince you. You already have your mind made up.
Go visit Mecca and Medina. Go to his grave.
DoubleClutch
Superstar
Proof of what?
I’ll tell you what it is good for, the Quran is proof the Torah and Injeel are the true scriptures and the Islamic “Quran” Muslims believe in today is fan fiction
The Quran was never meant to be a “book” anyways
That’s why your prophet depended on validation from the previous scriptures and tried to get co-signs from Jews/Christians
But they rejected him so Arabs made their now “scriptures” to enter the narrative
You can’t show up 600 years later and say “I want in”
No scriptures mention Muhammad and neither is there room for or a need in him for literally ANYTHING when it comes to the Abrahamic religion
Jesus said “there’s no way to the father except through me”
Jews are waiting for “their” messiah and only accept prophets or messengers from their own tribe
Muhammad was useless to anyone who wasn’t an illiterate Arab pagans on the outskirts of civilized society where concerning religion anything goes.
Since you’re so interested in the concept of the “trinity” I’ll leave you with this.
Now let’s focus back on the historical nature of the Qurans development instead the theology that was later created to support it.
Because if we can’t agree on some objective historical account of history, what’s the point in even having a discussion.
If you deny history, you’re living in some type of fantasy world or alternate reality.
@MMS
then it means a headless tiger could be your reality (clothing)
A serpent AND a vulture in clothing?
Surah Al-Ahzab - 59 - Quran.com
O Prophet! Ask your wives, daughters, and believing women to draw their cloaks over their bodies. In this way it is more likely that they will be reco...
quran.com
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DoubleClutch
Superstar
I dont think you quite understand Islam or what muslims believe - and you do ot want to know, you just want to listen to weird cac priests who make a living making up BS about other religions, I guess to throw your scent off the nonsense of Christianity (which you yourself repeatedly cant explain to me). There are like 100 versions of the bible, which are you quoting?
Some christian sects do not believe in the holy diddy like you, which bible is it they follow 
Like I said, worry yourself about your own religion, why is Islam such an obsession to you
DoubleClutch
Superstar
I dont think you quite understand Islam or what muslims believe - and you do ot want to know, you just want to listen to weird cac priests who make a living making up BS about other religions, I guess to throw your scent off the nonsense of Christianity (which you yourself repeatedly cant explain to me). There are like 100 versions of the bible, which are you quoting?
Like I said, worry yourself about your own religion, why is Islam such an obsession to you
Because understanding Islam and the Quran is literally the key to strengthening my faith in Jesus.
Everything about Islam points me in the direction of so-called “Christianity”.
It’s like my level up as a “believer”.
I don’t even consider Islam as a “religion” per se. I just see it for what it is
If someone truly understands Judaism Christianity and then learns about Islam with an open mind then they will be unstoppable
It’s all connected
See I’m trying to broaden my view. And find new things
Islam hides stuff from you and keeps you in the dark.
You can’t even think logically or objectively. You’re limited to the “standard Islamic narrative”
I’m almost done with Islam anyways. So really I’m not as “obsessed” as you might think.
I might read a few more books I’ve always wanted to on the Arab history but next I’ll focus more on Paul…. because
The Official APOSTLE PAUL thread
Ok fair enough. But I think your understanding of Christianity is a subjective one and doesn’t define it. Your Christianity isn’t “my Christianity”. And I’m actually a follower of Jesus so naturally I’d know better than you (although you haven’t made it clear what you believe :patrice:)...
www.thecoli.com
Then I can start looking more into ancient Egypt and the Sumerians like @MMS
Because that’s a new challenge and loosely connected to the Bible
You focusing all your energy on being a Muslim and looking at all other religions through a Muslim lens and based on the teachings and interpretations of your imams and what your Muslim dawah community teach you has clouded your views and held you back from finding truth
^ that’s what I call “following a religion” and living out its intended purposes for you.
Because understanding Islam and the Quran is literally the key to strengthening my faith in Jesus.
Everything about Islam points me in the direction of so-called “Christianity”.
It’s like my level up as a “believer”.
I don’t even consider Islam as a “religion” per se. I just see it for what it is
If someone truly understands Judaism Christianity and then learns about Islam with an open mind then they will be unstoppable
It’s all connected
See I’m trying to broaden my view. And find new things
Islam hides stuff from you and keeps you in the dark.
You can’t even think logically or objectively. You’re limited to the “standard Islamic narrative”
I’m almost done with Islam anyways. So really I’m not as “obsessed” as you might think.
I might read a few more books I’ve always wanted to on the Arab history but next I’ll focus more on Paul…. because
The Official APOSTLE PAUL thread
Ok fair enough. But I think your understanding of Christianity is a subjective one and doesn’t define it. Your Christianity isn’t “my Christianity”. And I’m actually a follower of Jesus so naturally I’d know better than you (although you haven’t made it clear what you believe :patrice:)...
Then I can start looking more into ancient Egypt and the Sumerians like @MMS
Because that’s a new challenge and loosely connected to the Bible
You focusing all your energy on being a Muslim and looking at all other religions through a Muslim lens and based on the teachings and interpretations of your imams and what your Muslim dawah community teach you has clouded your views and held you back from finding truth
^ that’s what I call “following a religion” and living out its intended purposes for you.
I see here you have totally avoided every question I asked you and continued with disinformation. Let's ask again, which version of the Bible are you talking about when you're claim the Holy diddy is whispering in your ear?
Be great to see where jesus requests worship of himself and actual direct references to this holy diddy you worship
I'm sure you'll find it in one of the hundreds of different iterations of the Bible . Again, if you were so strong in your belief you wouldn't be using all your time dogging on other religions, it's quite clear and obvious that you know this holy diddy business is nonsense and you're trying your hardest here hence taking shots 
Common sense would tell you that you aren't much different from a Hindu who also worships several gods
I see here you have totally avoided every question I asked you and continued with disinformation. Let's ask again, which version of the Bible are you talking about when you're claim the Holy diddy is whispering in your ear?
Be great to see where jesus requests worship of himself and actual direct references to this holy diddy you worship
Common sense would tell you that you aren't much different from a Hindu who also worships several gods
Common sense tells me you're a pedo. Stop raping kids, fakkit
DoubleClutch
Superstar
I don’t ever recall Michael Jordan ever saying “I’m the GOAT” or even demanding basketball fans address him as “the greatest basketball player of all time” but they do it anyways.I see here you have totally avoided every question I asked you and continued with disinformation. Let's ask again, which version of the Bible are you talking about when you're claim the Holy diddy is whispering in your ear?
Be great to see where jesus requests worship of himself and actual direct references to this holy diddy you worship
Common sense would tell you that you aren't much different from a Hindu who also worships several gods
That would defeat the purpose of earning the title or distinction
What’s obvious doesn’t need to be spoken, regardless if you get it or not.
Why would Jesus (almighty God) ever want or need to request or demand worship from people who have free will to choose
His justice depends on free will. There’s no one to blame but ourselves.
As the Quran says:
“there is no compulsion in religion”
As Jesus says:
“He who has ears, let him hear”
Jesus spoke in parables for a reason. He knows his message and teachings won’t resonate with everyone.
Gods salvation in Jesus is offered to all but it’s clearly not understood or even FOR everyone to receive.
For example, some people just love sinning and don’t want to change.
Not saying you’re a bad person.
But maybe the historical Jesus just isn’t your “cup of tea”
DoubleClutch
Superstar
Common sense tells me you're a pedo. Stop raping kids, fakkit
No need to insult, breh. You’ll get the thread closed.
Just use their own scripture against them.
This lady always has the most SMOKE for Muslims by quoting straight scriptures
Ahh the zionist scum CAC pedo @Carl Tethers makes an appearance - salty after being outed as a kiddy fiddler, now projecting his fantasies onto others? What a sad waste of oxygenCommon sense tells me you're a pedo. Stop raping kids, fakkit
No need to insult, breh. You’ll get the thread closed.
Just use their own scripture against them.
This lady always has the most SMOKE for Muslims by quoting straight scriptures
This woman is a right wing nut job who is/was co-lead of quote "Britain First is a far-right,[9] British fascist[1] and neo-fascist[2] political party and hate group[2] " this is who you are now worshipping (along with the holy diddy and countless others . . .). Overlooking that - She didn't have any smoke you moron
Ill leave you with a single word to contemplate: ContextDo we start dissecting the 4000 versions of the bible to quote all the violence it calls for? I know you dont want to go there, you dont even want to go there about which version of the bible you are following
I don’t ever recall Michael Jordan ever saying “I’m the GOAT” or even demanding basketball fans address him as “the greatest basketball player of all time” but they do it anyways.
That would defeat the purpose of earning the title or distinction
What’s obvious doesn’t need to be spoken, regardless if you get it or not.
Why would Jesus (almighty God) ever want or need to request or demand worship from people who have free will to choose
His justice depends on free will. There’s no one to blame but ourselves.
As the Quran says:
“there is no compulsion in religion”
As Jesus says:
“He who has ears, let him hear”
Jesus spoke in parables for a reason. He knows his message and teachings won’t resonate with everyone.
Gods salvation in Jesus is offered to all but it’s clearly not understood or even FOR everyone to receive.
For example, some people just love sinning and don’t want to change.
Not saying you’re a bad person.
But maybe the historical Jesus just isn’t your “cup of tea”
You just said a whole load of nothing, and managed to bring in MJ to this discussion
I feel bad for you because I can tell the reaching you're doing here is taking some mental gymnastics on your part
Nowhere does Jesus ask for him, a man, to be worshipped in your "bible" . . unless you want to pull up version 4087 which you're just about to publish after you finished some more editing
. What you "believe" is innovation . . . Jesus never told followers to worship him. Innovation is what certain jihadi's believe when they read particular verses of the Quran - such as the nonsense you posted above from the Nazi woman ie. taking stories of war time out of context . . .So, for the 4th time of asking, which version are we supposed to follow? Where is your holy diddy mentioned?
I can tell you are a troubled man, medically you would be deemed likely schizophrenic with these voices you're hearing. Do you have medical insurance? If not maybe your friends can start a go fund me
DoubleClutch
Superstar
This woman is a right wing nut job who is/was co-lead of quote "Britain First is a far-right,[9] British fascist[1] and neo-fascist[2] political party and hate group[2] " this is who you are now worshipping (along with the holy diddy and countless others . . .). Overlooking that - She didn't have any smoke you moron
Do we start dissecting the 4000 versions of the bible to quote all the violence it calls for? I know you dont want to go there, you dont even want to go there about which version of the bible you are following
Why resort to “whataboutisms” my faith doesn’t depend on the Bible scriptures being “reliable”
You don’t know what I believe. And clearly don’t have the same understanding of things
The subject here is ISLAM a topic you SHOULD know more about than me.
And I know, according to your Quran, you believe the Bible/Injeel and all the revelations to Jews and Christians to be true and reliable to the extent Muhammad depended on it for legitimacy
You have no answer to anything, breh.
Accept Jesus and things will be clear to you.
You already believe him to be the “Word of God” so you are halfway there
Stop holding back and take the next step. Repent be baptized and accept Jesus as a lord and savior.
But at the end of the day is it REALLY about you?
I bet some Muslim lurking in here is reading all this and receiving your blessing because you’re too hard headed
at the end of the day you might as well be just a pawn in Gods master plan.
I’m here to play Chess not checkers. To god be the glory
Why resort to “whataboutisms” my faith doesn’t depend on the Bible scriptures being “reliable”
You don’t know what I believe.
The subject here is ISLAM
And according to your Quran, you believe the Bible/Injeel and all the revelations to Jews and Christians and depend on it for legitimacy
You have no answer to anything, breh.
Accept Jesus and things will be clear to you.
You already believe him to be the “Word of God” so you are halfway there
Stop holding back and take the next step.
But at the end of the day is it REALLY about you?
I bet some Muslim lurking in here is reading all this and receiving your blessing because you’re too hard headed
at the end of the day you might as well be just a pawn in Gods master plan.
I’m here to play Chess not checkers. To god be the glory
There you go again - cannot answer a very simple question ive repeatedly asked you . .
Which version of the bible/injeel are we to believe in?! Please answer for the love of god . . . If you really did research Islam and the Quran, you would know the reason for the final revelation is because of the desecration of the bible ie. the 5000 different versions which exist, the innovation of the holy diddy and worship of a man which even most of the different versions of the bible dont even advocate for . . . who knows what is true? .You even say your bible isnt reliable yourself You a legit clownYou've had enough opportunity to address this but have avoided it like the plague . . i think we can say case closed here
I pray you find god someday, and a go fund me for some health insurance
