How The MCU Fixed Themselves & Why The DCEU Can Be Corrected (keep the stanning away)

[Bobby Lashleys eyebrows]

Why not tho?

DC JL characters are significantly higher profile than the guys Marvel had. Make the flicks, keep the budgets low and rake it in. Its only more money in your pocket if you're not putting out trash.

Also guys like Green Arrow, (Heterosexual) Mister. Terrific & power girl, Suicide Squad, Deathstroke, wildcat, bronze tiger, Damien Wayne should've been rated R on Netflix with a defenders budget, not that weak shyt on premium. A booster gold futuristic comedy would've been golden. A static shock series with Jacob Lattimore and a Icon series would've pushed DC credentials through the roof. Let them cameo in a justice league unlimited movie to take on darkseid and not only comics but movie tickets would reach marvel levels.

 

[MenacingMonk]

Just do the Flashpoint movie.

 

[Bobby Lashleys eyebrows]

No one wants to connect to that low rent shyt



And people talking about standalone movies are dumb too. None of that shyt is needed as long as you make a good movie. Ultron was shyt yet had everything you guys wanted beforehand. The only thing They need to do is simply make better movies

Not talking about the CW universe. Scrap all of that and make bigger budget side projects instead of throwing it all on the big screen creating a cluster fukk in one film.

 

[Clark Wayne]

The 2nd hulk didn't do amazing financially but it wasn't shytted on by critics and it's still rated higher than any DCEU film except for Wonder Woman.

Also the big reason we won't get a stand alone Hulk movie is because Universal has distribution rights.

Also, what the fukk is up with the revisionist history on the first Thor? Made almost $450 million and was rated well by critics.

Again, the problem with DCEU is that it started out Transformers status out the gate. Yeah they make money but they also get shytty reviews.

Transformers had a good run at the box office, but the last one was a major step down financially.

Same thing happening with Justice League.

Out of all the movies, the only sure things are Wonder Woman 2, Aquaman since that's already been filmed and the eventual Reeves Batman movie.

Aquaman is lucky that it was already filmed. If these Justice League numbers had come out before, you can best believe it would have been scrapped.

 

[calh45]

One had Robert Downey Jr. starting out with a surprise hit and now it's cool to love Marvel.

The other has to deal with the fact that it's been an established universe going back to the 70's and now cool for critics to hate DC.

Marvel is the new thing. DC has the Wale syndrome and It's not really a fixable thing this generation. The pattern is already set and it'll keep happening until Marvel gets to the infinity gauntlet. They won't have a villain big enough to keep the push going beyond Thanos. DC has Gal Gadot who's fresh and new. The kid that plays the Flash in JL was pretty entertaining along with Cyborg. They could do a team up movie and I'd be down with it. There's also Black Adam on the horizon which if they do right is gonna be nuts.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Marvel is the new thing. DC has the Wale syndrome and It's not really a fixable thing this generation.

Holy shyt! This generation?!

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Again, the problem with DCEU is that it started out Transformers status out the gate. Yeah they make money but they also get shytty reviews.

Transformers had a good run at the box office, but the last one was a major step down financially.

Same thing happening with Justice League.

Out of all the movies, the only sure things are Wonder Woman 2, Aquaman since that's already been filmed and the eventual Reeves Batman movie.

Aquaman is lucky that it was already filmed. If these Justice League numbers had come out before, you can best believe it would have been scrapped.

Harsh realities right here.
I wouldn't even say The Batman is a sure thing. Reeves could say nevermind tomorrow. Shazam is pretty much a sure thing tho.

 

[Julio Jones]

I agree with the idea of a Flashpoint reboot film. There was that scene in BvS that seemed to hint at Flash's time travel ability so maybe that was put in there to foreshadow it and give themselves the option.

As far as what could've/should've been done:

1. The origin films needed to be done before the big meet up. Man of Steel and Wonder Woman were good starts, but BvS happened way too early and Suicide Squad was just.....there. Should've given us either Flash or Aquaman's story before JL as well. Along with Cyborg, it's too many intros to try and make before getting to the heart of this story in JL. The Avengers characters were well established before the main film so the focus was on them trying to build chemistry and take on Loki as opposed to getting a background story on half the team.

2. They need to ease up on the CGI and add more realism to the world. This has been a problem for a while. Snyder seems adverse to using practical effects of any sort. I'm talking for both the characters and scenery. Cyborg would've been better if the actor were put into some sort of robotic looking costume as opposed to being CG for most of the film. Again, Wonder Woman did a great job of not overdoing the CG at least until the end. And by then, they had done such a great job establishing realism that the CG got a pass.

3. Every film seems to revolve around some sort of other worldly villain who's either from outer space or another dimension. It's okay to have a film with a more practical villain. For example, Iron Man didn't face any aliens until the first Avengers film, and we were able to see how that took a toll on him afterwards. Prior to that, he faced off against regular humans who happened to have extraordinary tech. It annoyed me that the Suicide Squad were going up against the Witch. It was too "out there" of a villain if that makes sense. It's like every movie has to have the huge, unstoppable monster that ends up being stopped Deus Ex Machina style. It's okay to have these characters go up against a regular human who becomes a villain like Vulture in Spiderman Homecoming.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

One thing people are taking for granted or not taking seriously is the amount of theaters JL had that dramatically effected its sales!

Like nicely for DC.... so far in their DC ALL of their movies have opened up in ATLEAST 4000+ theaters and no telling how many screens in each theater.

Verses Marvel who in their first 5 movies of the MCU only 2 were in 4000+ theater and it shouldnt be a surprise that those were the ones that made the most money (more access=more money, thats basic math at its simplest form).

BvS had a big OW but they opened with 4242 theaters and can only imagine how many screens play them with standard, IMAX, and IMAX3. JL played in damn near 200 less theaters. You'd be stupid to not think that was a huge loss and played a big role in the OW numbers and 1st weekend success or failure of this.

But them theaters/screen #s is something very important to look into. People call Hulk a flop.... but that played in the least amount of theaters out of all the Marvel movies and DC by a large margin with its 3505 screens...... comparing 2 movies in on both brands... thats a difference of about 737 theaters between Hulk and BvS.

This movie shouldve been released atleast in the same about of theaters as BvS and SS at about 4200+ theaters, if so.... it wouldve easily made $130M+ this weekend and the conversation would be about how great of an opening it had.

Aquaman better hit that 4234 or more spot

Martha

 

[PlayerNinety_Nine]

My main problem with the DCEU is that they ran through what should have been years worth of story in just B v S.

When you kill Superman in his second appearance, what stakes can you really have in the long run? They could have got two solo movies out of that storyline - Supes' death in the first one, then the rise of the supermen and his return in the second.

A straight adaptation of 'Dark Knight Returns' could have been a two parter as well, which passed the baton to a 'Batman Beyond' franchise eventually.

They couldn't follow the Marvel formula to the letter because they would have had six origin stories to get to, before they hit Justice League, so I understand the condensed set-up.

I just wish they'd been more patient about putting the whole thing together.

 

[Rekkapryde]

There is nothing they can do

When I was growing up NO ONE gave a fukk about DC Comics.. NO ONE..

No one cares about any of their characters except Batman and Superman..

Sorry...

no one cared about the Marvel characters outside of Spidey either. The thing is you have to make them care and Disney/Marvel Studios did it.

So it can be done.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

no one cared about the Marvel characters outside of Spidey either. The thing is you have to make them care and Disney/Marvel Studios did it.

So it can be done.

No one will ever care about DC. It’s not going to work.. It will not be done.

 

[ORDER_66]

Bottomline is the DCEU has no fukking roadmap. no connective narrative. no stakes in the stories... Lore... Basically they going into everything blind trying to play catchup. the MCU had a gameplan and stuck with it... and it paid off in spades... The DCEU tried to bite hard and now have to pay the price... If they get someone on board who's competent and makes a larger universe seem more inviting to fans and DC fans alike it could work. But they dont do it because of executive meddling in their projects...

 

[Rekkapryde]

Bottomline is the DCEU has no fukking roadmap. no connective narrative. no stakes in the stories... Lore... Basically they going into everything blind trying to play catchup. the MCU had a gameplan and stuck with it... and it paid off in spades... The DCEU tried to bite hard and now have to pay the price... If they get someone on board who's competent and makes a larger universe seem more inviting to fans and DC fans alike it could work. But they dont do it because of executive meddling in their projects...

I do think they rushed it too, but it's not as horrible as many are making it out to be. It can be saved, but they need to slow it down and get it together.

 

[Matriarchy Refugee]

No one will ever care about DC. It’s not going to work.. It will not be done.

DC just did that with wonder woman. All you got to do is make a good movie, and people will like any character.

DCEU movies have just been trash outside of wonder woman