How much are we willing to pay to solve the "homeless crisis"?

[OfTheCross]

you need social services, sanitation, trash, safety/law enforcement - fires, theft, fights, drugs, prostitution, etc, what about utilities - where do they get electricity, water? you can't just throw this shyt in a field, fill it with 1000 homeless people and walk away.

Well, I offered people's backyards too.

Many people already have RVs in their backyards here and they rent them out. It's nothing to hook them up with electricity and water. If we can do it in Miami the rest of the country can find a way to finesse it as well

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Well, I offered people's backyards too.

Many people already have RVs in their backyards here and they rent them out. It's nothing to hook them up with electricity and water. If we can do it in Miami the rest of the country can find a way to finesse it as well

Someone already called out ADU’s in cali. If I can get $2-3000/month from an employed, “upstanding” individual or couple for my ADU, what incentive do I have to offer free/subsidized housing or deal with the government for payment on this unit to house a “homeless” entity (clearly there are tons of functional homeless who fell on hard times, got priced out, etc. but those are generally the ones we’re able to help with the existing limited resources, the chronically homeless usually have various issues)

 

[Geek Nasty]

We need cheaper housing in these expensive metros. Maybe we need something like The Fifth Element style living where people can have tiny-house sized apartments.



If I had the money I would make something like this. Each floor would also have entertainment rooms that residents could check out if they needed to entertain more than a couple guests.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

We need cheaper housing in these expensive metros. Maybe we need something like The Fifth Element style living where people can have tiny-house sized apartments.



If I had the money I would make something like this. Each floor would also have entertainment rooms that residents could check out if they needed to entertain more than a couple guests.

So we basically need dorms for adults

 

[Consigliere]

We could end the homeless problem by putting more resources into shelters and mental health services. The common theme that I have heard directly from the homeless is that shelters are dangerous and full of crazy people (and there are rules about drugs and alcohol); so they’d rather be on the street.

What if we just made the existing shelters safer and more attractive?

 

[gho3st]

I got a solution but it's gonna cost about $7.5B

Is that too much?

How much do we spend on homelessness now?

It’s a mental health problem first

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

We could end the homeless problem by putting more resources into shelters and mental health services. The common theme that I have heard directly from the homeless is that shelters are dangerous and full of crazy people (and there are rules about drugs and alcohol); so they’d rather be on the street.

What if we just made the existing shelters safer and more attractive?

an issue is that the ones on the street are disproportionately the ones who don't want to agree to sobriety rules, are violent, and/or in such a bad mental capacity they don't have the clear mental faculties to seek out shelters or find services themselves. whether it's shelters or street communities/camps, these people are still going to be part of a community. at that point, this is about more than housing them, it's the entire ecosystem of health, safety, mental and drug treatment services that are needed. we'd need to invest in full facilities (ie the institutions reagan decommissioned - tho those were far from humane) or communities for those who are the furthest "gone". can't make shelters more attractive if the more volatile homeless are there as well without the support - but hardly anyone wants to pay for all that's needed to support people who "arent contributing to society"

i also don't think it's fair to think local funds/budgets or taxpayers should be responsible for a national problem

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

We don't have a homelessness problem.

We have a "millions of people with substance abuse and mental/psychological illness" problem.

We will never solve homelessness so long as we think it's a function of the lack of housing.

My friend works with a social service agency in Chicago that receives tons of funding (esp during covid) related to homelessness. She has an entire team of ppl who go hit the streets or set up shop in homeless shelters. There is enough funding nowadays to offer people that sign up free rent (including utilities AND furnishings) for an entire year. They also get a case manager to help with all of their other needs (health care, employment, counseling, substance abuse treatment). But unfortunately what happens is that they get signed up but then don't show up to the appointment to meet the landlord, get the keys...or they get an apartment but insist on brining all of the stuff they had on the streets....or they show up, move in then there are complaints from neighboring units about yelling, fighting, people going through psychotic episodes...or they sign up but are then unable to be reached, don't answer the phone and just lose contact etc. It is one thing after another. I'm not pointing that out to place blame bc unfortunately most of these ppl are just victims of our society, but it's just the harsh reality. The disconnect between her organizations capacity/funding and the number of homeless they actually help is so wide that anytime I run into someone that is struggling financially (or even just working class and finding it difficult to save money), I tell them to go to a shelter and sign up for that shyt.

I think I mentioned this in a difft thread but we need to just be honest and admit that MANY of these people are way beyond the point of coming back. Doesn't make them bad people and definitely doesn't mean we should just cast them aside. And if they are able to come to a point of making the decision to sober up etc, then we should provide any and all support/treatment. But honestly a lot of these people are only happy when they're high. The disfunction, crime, physical abuse etc only happens when they're chasing the next high. Anybody who has ever lived or worked in the hood knows this. The crackheads etc don't bother anyone. They'll wash your car, clean up your yard or shyt some of them will FIX your car and when they're loaded they wouldn't harm a fly. We need to provide them a safe place to get high for free. If they want to work, have some organizations or even companies nearby that will allow them to do some shyt that doesn't involve powered equipment etc , give them some rescue animals and shyt and call it a day. You would see immediate drop in violent drug trade, property crimes etc.

 

[the cac mamba]

im all for building more collective shelters, that are free to live at

but im not voting to buy homeless people individual anything do i get 5 grand to update my condo, too?

 

[Yinny]

The crisis of “housing them” or “not seeing them?”

 

[Mook]

im all for building more collective shelters, that are free to live at

but im not voting to buy homeless people individual anything do i get 5 grand to update my condo, too?

Look at this piece of shyt scumbag mad that someone else is getting some shyt hole for 5k so he doesn't die in the rain. Cracker jackass.

 

[DonFrancisco]

im all for building more collective shelters, that are free to live at

but im not voting to buy homeless people individual anything do i get 5 grand to update my condo, too?

You want more free money for upgrades? I spent $7k to do major repairs and got a lot of back in tax returns.

 

[bnew]

Put them in trailers like this:

https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2006-A-Liner-EXPEDITION-TB-5017954181



You can get them as low at $5K.

If I'm ever on my ass that's the play to just have a roof over my head at least

$6000 for housing that supports 2 people

theres better housing alternatives

 

[mastermind]

We don't have a homelessness problem.

We have a "millions of people with substance abuse and mental/psychological illness" problem.

We will never solve homelessness so long as we think it's a function of the lack of housing.

My friend works with a social service agency in Chicago that receives tons of funding (esp during covid) related to homelessness. She has an entire team of ppl who go hit the streets or set up shop in homeless shelters. There is enough funding nowadays to offer people that sign up free rent (including utilities AND furnishings) for an entire year. They also get a case manager to help with all of their other needs (health care, employment, counseling, substance abuse treatment). But unfortunately what happens is that they get signed up but then don't show up to the appointment to meet the landlord, get the keys...or they get an apartment but insist on brining all of the stuff they had on the streets....or they show up, move in then there are complaints from neighboring units about yelling, fighting, people going through psychotic episodes...or they sign up but are then unable to be reached, don't answer the phone and just lose contact etc. It is one thing after another. I'm not pointing that out to place blame bc unfortunately most of these ppl are just victims of our society, but it's just the harsh reality. The disconnect between her organizations capacity/funding and the number of homeless they actually help is so wide that anytime I run into someone that is struggling financially (or even just working class and finding it difficult to save money), I tell them to go to a shelter and sign up for that shyt.

I think I mentioned this in a difft thread but we need to just be honest and admit that MANY of these people are way beyond the point of coming back. Doesn't make them bad people and definitely doesn't mean we should just cast them aside. And if they are able to come to a point of making the decision to sober up etc, then we should provide any and all support/treatment. But honestly a lot of these people are only happy when they're high. The disfunction, crime, physical abuse etc only happens when they're chasing the next high. Anybody who has ever lived or worked in the hood knows this. The crackheads etc don't bother anyone. They'll wash your car, clean up your yard or shyt some of them will FIX your car and when they're loaded they wouldn't harm a fly. We need to provide them a safe place to get high for free. If they want to work, have some organizations or even companies nearby that will allow them to do some shyt that doesn't involve powered equipment etc , give them some rescue animals and shyt and call it a day. You would see immediate drop in violent drug trade, property crimes etc.

First, I don't believe it is strictly about substance abuse and mental illness as much as you think. There are a lot of family units that are working and don't have a permanent address.
Working Homeless Population Grows in Cities Across the U.S.

However, there are a significant number of people who have mental and substance issues. So just giving them keys to a home isn't going to solve that. THere also needs to be more support for individuals who need extra help as well. So yes, why not do both? Your post seems to want to disgard those that have issues, when we should not be doing that.

 

[the cac mamba]

Look at this piece of shyt scumbag mad that someone else is getting some shyt hole for 5k so he doesn't die in the rain. Cracker jackass.

ok breh. let me know when this idea comes to fruition

i'll step aside, so there's no more resistance to it