How many people understand scheme and formations in football?
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Saysumthinfunnymike
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made household names out of many average defenders because of the scheme alone.. I don't see how you can say it doesn't matter. The difference now from 20 or 30 years ago is that most teams will tinker with their identity on a week to week basis or even half to half. It's about adjustments and matching up personnel more now than it's ever been.
In the 70's, if you could handle the things a team does well, you were probably going to win. Now they will hit you with a variety of looks.
Texas2step
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Played in HS and College. I studied football more than my major in college. You have to otherwise you'll never play.
Madden is a super dumbed down version of most schemes and you'd be surprised at how dumb ass wrong NFL and College Analysts are about the shyt coaches are running especially the ones that played QB.
As I was skimming through this post someone mentioned Vick's ability to read a defense, but some of that is playcalling. Each offensive play has a progression that's established by the coach in practice so sometimes Vick's or any other QB "missing" a wide ass open WR isn't his ability to read defenses it's just a function of the play call. Even Peyton gets caught in a shytty play call, but his accuracy and sometimes receivers bailed him out in Indy same for Brady.
Madden is a super dumbed down version of most schemes and you'd be surprised at how dumb ass wrong NFL and College Analysts are about the shyt coaches are running especially the ones that played QB.
As I was skimming through this post someone mentioned Vick's ability to read a defense, but some of that is playcalling. Each offensive play has a progression that's established by the coach in practice so sometimes Vick's or any other QB "missing" a wide ass open WR isn't his ability to read defenses it's just a function of the play call. Even Peyton gets caught in a shytty play call, but his accuracy and sometimes receivers bailed him out in Indy same for Brady.
MegaTronBomb!
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Here's the other thing....
Vick doesn't understand how to read schemes or, more likely, his BRAIN doesn't process it fast enough once he's in realtime game speed. Like, I'm sure he can read it pre-coverage, but he goes through his progressions like he's at ShopRite pickin' out loaves of bread, ol' nonchalant ass nikka.
So to COUNTER that, why not just LET HIM RUN, then? Hell, if he gon' get injured, then so be it. But having him stand in the pocket week after week and fail to timely make his reads and ultimately get popped play after play, isn't exactly a viable alternative, my G's.....if he's gon' get hurt, it might as well be making a damn play, not standing like a sitting duck out that hoe.
It's not that he can't process it fast enough, it's more of correctly processing what he sees.... it's the equivalent of a kid who never was able read at grade level, and when it's time to take tests... when he doesn't see the obvious answer, he'll mark C or raise his hand for help.
Mike Vick is what happens when you place that kid who can't read at grade level into an AP English class...
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I blame the coaches at the lower levels who are just exploiting these supremely talented athletes just to win now, it's the same with basketball players.
MegaTronBomb!
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Schemes do matter in the NFL, it's why you see more and more teams implementing spread offenses to combat these freaks of nature that play on the other side of the ball.
The Nebraska option doesn't dominate college ball, because it's been relegated to an offense you run when you don't have the athletes to compete.
you got kids with world class speed, industrial refrigator sized lineman, QB's with cannon arms...and you gon run some damn remember the titans ass offense?
you think talent trumps schemes?
Talent used to dominate because if Deion Sanders, was far and away faster reflexes than any WR he matched up with, he could leave a cushion window and still snatch INTS clean for TDS.
THERE IS NO SPECIAL SCHEME TO BEING A SHUT DOWN CB LIKE DEION WAS.
Either the few elite QB WRS that had enough arm velocity to test Deion window or they would leave it alone. But if you stunt from an advantage like that now the QB can tear defense up to the weak side or just run it because DEION WAS NOT A BIG HITTER.
Gronkowski, Witten, Ben Coates, Shannon Sharpe, Ricky Proehl, etc prove this as TE and slow WR that benefit from good QB that could get the ball in the slot area.
Now the speed level is more average in the NFL now, Larry and Megatron dominate as WR because they have great hands and height to get jump balls.
THERE IS NO SPECIAL SCHEME TO BEING A SHUT DOWN CB LIKE DEION WAS.
Either the few elite QB WRS that had enough arm velocity to test Deion window or they would leave it alone. But if you stunt from an advantage like that now the QB can tear defense up to the weak side or just run it because DEION WAS NOT A BIG HITTER.
Gronkowski, Witten, Ben Coates, Shannon Sharpe, Ricky Proehl, etc prove this as TE and slow WR that benefit from good QB that could get the ball in the slot area.
Now the speed level is more average in the NFL now, Larry and Megatron dominate as WR because they have great hands and height to get jump balls.
NOBODY IS WIDE OPEN OR SHUT DOWN BEFORE THE SNAP ANYMORE.
NEITHER IS A DEFENSE BROKEN COVERAGE BEFORE THE SNAP UNLESS IT IS IN A ERROR / INJURY MISMATCH OR BAD SUBSTITUTIONS.
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Yea b/c the game is spoon fed to us. Just listen to the average NFL analysis on ESPN or NFL Network, the intricacies of the game are spoken on daily. I'd guess most of us know the difference b/w man & zone defense. I do think that the specifics of some schemes & formations aren't 100% well known by the average fan, but most of us can get through the basics
And I learned the game watching it, reading it & playing video games. I played, but never at an organized level.
And I learned the game watching it, reading it & playing video games. I played, but never at an organized level.
FreedS[ohh]lave
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Its impossible to know exactly whats going on in the field because the camera doesnt focus on each player especially defenisvely
Plus the schemes today are intiricate and complex as hell any fan claiming to know what the hells going on 100% unless his father is a coach in the nfl and he seeing actual game tape is full of shyt
Plus the schemes today are intiricate and complex as hell any fan claiming to know what the hells going on 100% unless his father is a coach in the nfl and he seeing actual game tape is full of shyt
Texas2step
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Breh it's not about being wide open or being shut down before the snap because that is impossible without error. But you can make adjustments at the line of scrimmage and call a play that gives you the best chance.
Like if the QB sees an all out blitz and he checks to a screen play then that is great strategy/scheme or even if the LB's disguising it as blitz and gets to close to the line of scrimmage then they are out of position and the Qb checks to a slant route bc he knows they cant get back there in time to help out on the slant route is good strategy which will trump talented pass rushers
Jesus Shuttlesworth
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If you run a man in motion across the field and a defender follows him to the other side then that's usually an indication of man. If he passes him off that's typically zone. That's at a basic level though. That doesn't have to be so, especially now-a-days with defenses trying hard to disguise their coverage.
I started 3 years at CB in HS and walked on in college (never got no burn though
). Plus I've always been a student of the game.
Played high school football for the years at many diff positions (I got bigger). DB, S, OLB, and TE so I know a decent amount about the intricacies of the game on a basic level tho. What these pros are doing 
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