Yes if you're fortunate enough to be apart of one. I'm not taking GOAT status away from a player because he or she wasn't drafted in an organization with great GMs, Managers, Trainers, coaching staff and culture, thats just stupid.
How is LeBron James the GOAT and he's never been apart of a dynasty ?????EDIT: Thread very Quiet
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Yes if you're fortunate enough to be apart of one. I'm not taking GOAT status away from a player because he or she wasn't drafted in an organization with great GMs, Managers, Trainers, coaching staff and culture, thats just stupid.
Peruvian Connect
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So what makes you the goat? Then its the fact LeBron was heralded as the most NBA ready player ever. He had the ability to eleveate everyone around him and make them so much better. Using that logic he should've won in Vleveland and still should be winning, but he didn't and he's not. He's managed 4 rings in 21 years. Steph Curry has 4 and won 3 off of him,
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Who is the career loser who is in the GOAT debates? Most people can't even get into the GOAt converstaion without winning.
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Let’s take a closer look at the Lebron system.
Form a super team with other prime superstars that you are supposed to be competing against. Underachieve in terms of chips then bounce once you feel adversity creeping up. Rinse and repeat. nasty mercenary behavior
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The dynasty is actually the Warriors with Steph
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MJ, Magic, Bird, Kobe, Shaq, Steph were not apart of a dynasty, they created it from the grind. They weren’t afraid of losing like Lemanufactured
IsThatBrothaMouzone?
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Problem with "GOAT" discussion is that most people believe MJ is that dude so they will take his best achievements and judge all other players by how they measure up to MJ.
It's like saying "all about dem rangz, Erneh" and saying Jordan doesn't match up with Russell or is maybe a tie with KAJ at best.
You gotta use neutral, consistent criteria. Not sure if hoops has an equivalent of DVOA (football) or WAR (baseball) but you need stats that can be normalized against the era someone played in.
Championships should factor in as well but that's more of a tiebreaker and shouldn't be the foundation of any argument. It's also difficult when comparing players asked to do different things. Bron was basically asked to be some weird mix of Magic and MJ while being the size of Karl Malone. They are both on the Mt. Rushmore of NBA greats.
It's like saying "all about dem rangz, Erneh" and saying Jordan doesn't match up with Russell or is maybe a tie with KAJ at best.
You gotta use neutral, consistent criteria. Not sure if hoops has an equivalent of DVOA (football) or WAR (baseball) but you need stats that can be normalized against the era someone played in.
Championships should factor in as well but that's more of a tiebreaker and shouldn't be the foundation of any argument. It's also difficult when comparing players asked to do different things. Bron was basically asked to be some weird mix of Magic and MJ while being the size of Karl Malone. They are both on the Mt. Rushmore of NBA greats.
some of you will never forgive Lebron for ripping up your silly NBA world order and remaking it in his own image.
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The only criteria for goat should be who dominated their era the best. Stats and style of play is all subjective but dominance over your peers is the differentiator. It’s clearly MJ but people need something to keep talking about so I get it.
Best player of all time looks different than goat. Kobe and MJ are 1a/1b in the boat discussion
From Manu being a coke head to the breh who wished AIDS on dudes with big meats, this thread is wild funny.@DrexlersFade and @KnickstapeCity yall niqqas wild
murksiderock
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This would make sense if either of the superstars Bron linked with were threats to him, but you and I both know they weren't. Neither were Kyrie and Love. Neither was Anthony Davis...
LeBron has had adversity his entire career, stop the theater, bro. Being drafted to the Cavaliers alone was adversity...
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Mike and Steph were drafted to trash teams just like Lebron, that’s not unique.
What Lebron has done is not special, it’s mainly opportunistic. KD used that same formula and got 2 easy chips off Lebron. The fact that all that teaming up with stars and trading away players only led to a 4-6 finals record is
I know the Mike/Lebron goat talk is manufactured for engagement so I’m cool with it. A better debate would be best player of all time that way we eliminate the media rigged voting and just discuss basketball skills and impact. MJ/Kobe is 1a/1b as the boat.
murksiderock
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There's nothing objective to state Kobe was the best player ever, not entertaining that. And I'm not doing no a/B cop out shyt...Mike and Steph were drafted to trash teams just like Lebron, that’s not unique.
What Lebron has done is not special, it’s mainly opportunistic. KD used that same formula and got 2 easy chips off Lebron. The fact that all that teaming up with stars and trading away players only led to a 4-6 finals record is
I know the Mike/Lebron goat talk is manufactured for engagement so I’m cool with it. A better debate would be best player of all time that way we eliminate the media rigged voting and just discuss basketball skills and impact. MJ/Kobe is 1a/1b as the boat.
Being drafted to trash teams isn't unique. What LeBron made from that start to his career is. Unless guys drafted to trash teams just win 4 MVPs and 4 rings all the time. You know something I don't know?
If we're gonna talk Finals record the relevance is in what happened each Finals, not broadbrushing it. We've been down this road before, you have a thing about Finals record that I simply don't care about...
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Mike and Steph were drafted to trash teams just like Lebron, that’s not unique.
What Lebron has done is not special, it’s mainly opportunistic. KD used that same formula and got 2 easy chips off Lebron. The fact that all that teaming up with stars and trading away players only led to a 4-6 finals record is
I know the Mike/Lebron goat talk is manufactured for engagement so I’m cool with it. A better debate would be best player of all time that way we eliminate the media rigged voting and just discuss basketball skills and impact. MJ/Kobe is 1a/1b as the boat.
It’s not unique, but Mike & Steph was atleast drafted to trash teams that actually tried to get better and gave a serious fukk.
Bron didn’t have that from the jump and their FO made some questionable moves earlier on to desperation moves latter that didn’t work.
We see it all the time and some players been exposed that not ever franchise really cares to win like that. Some guys are just happy to be owners and have a team with their FO just happy to be getting a paycheck.
Next what he has done IS special.
KD’s name is dropped, but it only worked with one team that was already a top tier team.
What about CP3, what about Melo, what about Harden, what about Russ, what about Barkley, what about a long list of players before and after Lebron that tried it and it didn’t work?
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Pick and choose your team mates everywhere you go including multiple Top 10 current talent
Create super teams everywhere you go
Get coaches fired cause said player/GM shenanigans crash and burn horribly
Always have a scapegoat/excuse ready
and have stans call you the dynasty, brehs
Create super teams everywhere you go
Get coaches fired cause said player/GM shenanigans crash and burn horribly
Always have a scapegoat/excuse ready
and have stans call you the dynasty, brehs