How is kobe not top 5 alltime when there arent 5 players with a better resume?

[mvp_status]

Jordan
Wilt
Kareem
Russell
Shaq
Magic
Bird
Oscar
Lebron
Hakeem


and in no particular order

duncan, malone, west, baylor, iverson, kobe, wade, pippen, gervin, dr. J, mchale, garnett, stockton, isiah, moses, unseld, barry, robinson, ewing, barkely rodman, kidd

 

[Swagnificent]

I'm pretty sure all the dudes sayin Kobe ain't top 5 are white boys.

For some reason its only dese crakkkas that still got something against Kobe.

 

[Propaganda]

yeah, corny race baiting is a terrific argument, as is anyone that doesn't think kobe is top 5 "has something against him". grow up, you sound like a goddamn fool.

anyways, i think he's top 10, but definitely not top 5. also, what's on their resume isn't the end-all, be-all...context matters.

 

[upthere]

MJ
Kareem
Magic

Kobe is 4th but I can see how some could have him as low as 7th(depends on what you value in an all-time great).

He SHOULD have 2 reg season MVPs, but the last 3 or 4 (or more) 1st team all-defensive nods are questionable so he got a small consolation prize.
His longevity (especially as an elite player) is blessing to watch, I feel bad for those who cant look past their hate for him.

His decision making isnt the greatest in the clutch, but hes so good that when he succeeds, its.


Kobes resume is definitely top 5

 

[PTBG]

Also, in the 2001 playoffs, during game 2 I believe against the Spurs in the WCF, you gotta add this as an achievement, he put up the GOAT 2nd option stats too even though Shaq was the number 1 option during the playoffs.

Too goat. Easily will be a top 5 player ever, even though you can legitimately say he is a top 5 player already.

 

[CantStop]

only white people and confused c00ns think Kobe is not top 5.

 

[fscballin]

only white people and confused c00ns think Kobe is not top 5.

by your logic, even Kobe wouldn't put himself in the top

 

[R=G]

you must be talking strictly about Hakeem.

and I already consceded that Shaq had a better overall career, but I'd still take Hakeem in his prime over Shaq in his prime.

Shaq's resume doesn't even begin to stack up against Kareem's, (but few players can). Kareem was the dominant force in the league for over a decade and he dominated on BOTH ends of the court.

When people talk about Shaq's dominance it's almost entirely based on what he did offensively. He wasn't bad defensively by any stretch but he was never close to dominant either...Every other center I've mentioned was dominant on BOTH ends of the court, that's why I'd take them in their primes over Shaq.

You can't be serious And Shaq would of MURDERED Kareem year after year after year..that's why Kareem was dominant. He didn't go against Shaq.

Hakeem's best wasn't as dominant or as impressive as Shaq's best. That's why he won more titles and didn't need Jordan's retirement to achieve that either.

 

[Midwest]

* 5× NBA Champion (2000, 2001, 2002, 2009, 2010)
* 2× NBA Finals MVP (2009–2010)
* NBA Most Valuable Player (2008)
* 14× NBA All-Star (1998, 2000–2012)
* 2× NBA scoring champion (2006–2007)
* 10× All-NBA First Team (2002–2004, 2006–2012)
* 2× All-NBA Second Team (2000–2001)
* 2× All-NBA Third Team (1999, 2005)
* 9× All-Defensive First Team (2000, 2003–2004, 2006–2010)
* 2× All-Defensive Second Team (2001–2002)
* NBA All-Rookie Second Team (1997)
* 4× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2002, 2007, 2009,2011)
* NBA Slam Dunk Contest winner (1997)
* Naismith Prep Player of the Year (1996)
* 5th Alltime scoring leader
* 2 Gold Medals
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*10 50 point games in one season

*Out scored the Mavs who made it to the finals in 3 quarters

*In that same month, Bryant also became the first player since 1964 to score 45 points or more in four consecutive games, joining Chamberlain and Baylor as the only players ever to do so.[83] For the month of January, Bryant averaged 43.4 points per game,[84] the eighth highest single month scoring average in NBA history and highest for any player other than Chamberlain.

* Kobes averaged for 2005-2007= 33.5ppg, 5.5rpg,5apg, 1.6spg, .346 3p%, .457 fg%

* Kobes averages as a starter- 28ppg, 6rpg, 5.2apg, 1.6spg, .456 FG% at 39.3mpg


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Most three-point field goals made, one game: 12 (January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics; shared with Donyell Marshall)[21]
Most three-point field goals made, one half: 8 (March 28, 2003 vs. Washington Wizards; shared with 5 players).[22]
Most consecutive three-point field goals made, one game: 9 (January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics; shared with Latrell Sprewell and Ben Gordon).[23]
Most free throws made, one quarter: 14 (3rd quarter, December 20, 2005 vs. Dallas Mavericks; shared with 5 players).[24][25]
Most free throws attempted, one quarter: 16 (3rd quarter, December 20, 2005 vs. Dallas Mavericks; shared with 6 players).[26][27]
Holds shot-clock era records for:
Greatest percentage of own team's point total (66.4% of the Lakers' 122 points) ( set on January 22, 2006 vs. the Toronto Raptors).
Greatest percentage of both teams' combined point total (35.8% of the Lakers' and Raptors' 226 points) (Also set on January 22, 2006 vs. the Toronto Raptors).

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* Only player in NBA history to score at least 600 points in the postseason for three consecutive years.[42]

* 633 (2008), 695 (2009), 671 (20100
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Kobes resume shytS on 99.9% of the players who ever played in the NBA and hes STILL playing at a high level, averaged 28 a game last year shyt aint close to over

My nikka you done did it this time... Positive Rep on Sight...

 

[Jesus]

Bird is on the same level as Kobe/Shaq/Duncan, y'all kill me trynna push Larry up there with Magic.

 

[Yungin]

Not to mention shaq til this day tries his hardest to get back into the good graces of da gawd

Shaq-" Kobe is the greatest Laker ever, we are still friends. I love kobe, i respect him so much"

Gawd-

Doenst even acknowledge that bum

when did shaq say this?

 

[Yungin]

doubt that...take kobe off that team and replace him with any decent 2g of the day...lakers still win...give him tmac back then or vc...lakers still win....

take shaq off that team...and what you got?

How come shaq gets to play with all these great players but if kobe plays with great players all yall do is talk about how great the player that kobe was playing with was.....

 

[Killer Instinct]

You HAVE To put Shaq ahead of Kobe. MJ, Kareem/Magic, Wilt, Jerry West

And there's still bird, big o dr.j, hakeem, Duncan, Russell, etc.

You clowns are trolling at this point. It's 2012.

 

[PTBG]

when did shaq say this?

http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/lakers/post/_/id/23766/shaq-calls-kobe-the-greatest-laker-of-all-time
Video: Kobe Bryant is the best Laker ever? Shaquille O’Neal thinks so - Ball Don't Lie - NBA*Blog - Yahoo! Sports

 

[Hacksaw Jim Thuggin]

How come shaq gets to play with all these great players but if kobe plays with great players all yall do is talk about how great the player that kobe was playing with was.....

dont know who this mythical 'yall' is...

but my point is shaq carried those teams...