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How Good Was Reggie Miller Actually?
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Reggie was not a great athlete, he didn't rebound, he wasn't a great ball handler, didn't come up with a lot of steals/turnovers. He just didn't have the skillset to be a great transition scorer. I don't get the luxury term.
I never seen the innate PG skills from Curry that Nash had. Hardaway was an unstoppable 1v1 player due to his handles, agility and finishing skills which is similar to Curry. Curry and Hardaway were scoring guards. Nash is a playmaker true PGI got Nash because of shooting ability, similar size at 6’3, and insane core strength that allows them be elite finishers at the rim despite being below the rim players.
I don’t really see Hardaway
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They haven't had better careers, but I think they're more talented basketball players than Miller.
Beal is a great shooter himself, he can defend, he can run the P&R, he can put the ball on the floor he has isolation moves including a nasty step back, he can get to the rim.
McCollum is a complete three zone scorer on a completely different level as a ball handler, I actually feel Lillard holds him back in a way.
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Where do y'all think players like Buddy Hield and Klay Thompson stack up with Reggie in terms of skillsets?
I think both those guys have some dimensions to their game that Reggie didn't
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I think both those guys have some dimensions to their game that Reggie didn't
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He also played in the 80's and early 90's which were high paced.
I think he's more hurt by the limitations he had on his game rather than the era he played in.
LeBron has 7 seasons of 60% TS% and another 3 of 59%. His best season was 65% in 2014, when his best sidekick was a washed, injured D-Wade who only played 50 games.
MJ only had 4 60% TS seasons total, none better than 61%, and if he wasn't a better free throw shooter than Bron he would have had zero.
Legit what do you think you're proving other than that Bron is only an average FT shooter?
Do you think before posting? Your dumbass uses no context for the generations players played in. Reggie played in the slow paced 90's before three point shooting become a major thing and averaged nearly 40% from three at 5 attempts a game. You put him in this era and he's taking around 10 a game with likely better shooting percentages as it's more of focus these days.
You put Jordan in this era with all the spacing provided by three point shooting and he'd never have a true shooting percentage below 60%.
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And in 2000, he wasnt even the leader of that squad. It was Jalen Rose who was the leagues MIP. The Pacers FINALLY found a player in Jalen who could create his own shot. Maybe if Reggie had that ability in his one dimensional arsenal, the Pacers would have seen a finals appearance in the 90s.
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Where do y'all think players like Buddy Hield and Klay Thompson stack up with Reggie in terms of skillsets?
I think both those guys have some dimensions to their game that Reggie didn't
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Hield can put the ball on the deck and he gets a lot of transitions Buckets. He also can finish around the basket. If he continues down this trajectory, he should he much better than Miller. Not to mention, his defense is decent due to his long arms and strength
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Yup, and he's also one of the top rebounders at his position.
Less hypothetical, and more so looking at how an offense functions. No different to saying any and every player could average more points if they wanted to, but at what cost?
In part, that's what made his scoring important because it wasn't scoring in conflict with offensive flow; he scored when his team typically needed him to, not when he wanted to. And again, that's not to say he couldn't have been more aggressive, or that I'm ranking him above players who averaged more points, it's just to say it's not as simple as taking the points he averaged, and valuing his play in accordance to that, in a vacuum (he also didn't have the luxury of getting transition/junk points like a lot of main ball-handlers do - he scored almost entirely in the halfcourt when defenses were set).
He created the majority of his looks with his off-ball movement - it was less design, and more his own ability.
Certainly not to the same degree as MJ, but he still could put the ball on the floor and create his own offense at a high level, he wasn't just catching and shooting: great at drawing contact, dribbling to create his own space, give-and-go actions, elbow/baseline action pull-ups. He made quick decisions whenever he got the ball (if there was no opening initially, he'd move the ball on and relocate; he had a quick-fire attack mentality that kept the defense on the back foot), which is why there's this perception he couldn't create his own offense, as he wasn't always trying to break down his defender in ISO like other high-volume scorers.
Another common misconception.
He was regularly tasked with defending the best perimeter threat (mostly because all throughout his career he was surrounded by less-capable defenders), and while he wasn't clamping players, he made them work hard due to his conditioning, length, the innate ability to track all around the halfcourt (due to his own off-ball movements on offense), and cognizant of the tricks of the trade (again, because of his own craftiness on offense).
He wasn't a special playmaker, by any means, but he knew how to find the open man when he'd draw extra attention, and kept the ball moving if he wasn't going to do anything with it (which naturally led to making plays for his teammates) - that is more important than him holding onto the ball waiting for someone to get open.
Kyle Korver? Really? Someone who never had to anchor an offense (let alone do it for well over a decade), or be depended on to carry the volume scoring is who you're comparing Reggie to?
