How do you feel about Libraries?

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im not talking about one person with an agenda, im talking about giving governments the ability to control ALL information at any time. if all our knowledge is digitized and uploaded to a cloud, that's exactly what will happen.
are you saying we shouldn't have libraries that have physical copies of books?

I have addressed this point..If you are NOT creating the new knowledge, then how else are you going to get it...? Do you think some mysterious figure is going to drop a Book in your mail box while you are sleeping...?

We have NO control of what information we get, and how we get it...Our duty as intelligent beings is develop a critical open-mind, so we can consider new info, and critically appraise it...

If your problem is Government control, then what makes you think that government cannot take control of all the publishing houses, and control what books are printed, and when they are printed...

In fact, it will be EASIER for the government to control physical books compared to e-Books, because once something has been published on the internet, it can be access one way or another by an individual with the knowledge...

Just think about WikiLeaks, can you imagine how much difficult it would have been for Assange to disseminate that info to all people across the globe, if he had to make physical copies...?

WikiLeaks is GREAT example of why electronic dissemination of info to the maximum amount of people is a more efficient method...

Books are USELESS...It's slow and outdated medium...If Western Governments truly had malicious intentions to control the people, believe me, they would shut down the internet, and go back to books, because that will be a more effect intervention...Why? Books are bottle neck system, that only allows a limited amount of info to a limited amount amount of people...

God Bless the internet...
 

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LOL This dude said WikiLeaks like that's some kind of crowning example

Read up, gnat https://medium.com/geek-empire-1/a1ebd2b4a0e5

Julian Assange is a fraud, no different than the bums at NSA

Also, do you not know how hard and evident it would be to control publishing houses versus the Internet? One would be very overt.

Ever heard of the term "paper trail"? It can be applied to books as they start from a rough draft to a finished copy. Yes, they might be written on Word but get printed out and edited accordingly.
 

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I have addressed this point..If you are NOT creating the new knowledge, then how else are you going to get it...? Do you think some mysterious figure is going to drop a Book in your mail box while you are sleeping...?

We have NO control of what information we get, and how we get it...Our duty as intelligent beings is develop a critical open-mind, so we can consider new info, and critically appraise it...

If your problem is Government control, then what makes you think that government cannot take control of all the publishing houses, and control what books are printed, and when they are printed...

In fact, it will be EASIER for the government to control physical books compared to e-Books, because once something has been published on the internet, it can be access one way or another by an individual with the knowledge...

Just think about WikiLeaks, can you imagine how much difficult it would have been for Assange to disseminate that info to all people across the globe, if he had to make physical copies...?

WikiLeaks is GREAT example of why electronic dissemination of info to the maximum amount of people is a more efficient method...

Books are USELESS...It's slow and outdated medium...If Western Governments truly had malicious intentions to control the people, believe me, they would shut down the internet, and go back to books, because that will be a more effect intervention...Why? Books are bottle neck system, that only allows a limited amount of info to a limited amount amount of people...

God Bless the internet...

The internet is the greatest thing to ever happen for information, im not arguing that.

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Do you have any idea how important the printing press was to the American revolution? governments can't control printed media nearly as easily as they can digital. All i'm saying is libraries containing printed media are a good thing. you really want to argue against that?

you should change your name from 1986 to....


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Speed isn't an advantage. If anything it is a push.

hahahaha...Now I am 95% sure that you are NOT an academic of the scientific persuasion...You CAN'T possibly be if you think getting info in a timely manner is not PARAMOUNT...

Think about this example, you are a doctor in an emergency room, you receive a patient, and you are too sure of what is the best most up to date treatment action for this patient...

Are you going to leave the patient, and go look up a book in the hospital library or are you going to pull up your Samsung S4 at the patient's bedside, and look up the best and most up to date treatment action using a medical database that is WIDELY accepted as a gold standard by the medical community...?

If you still don't get it after this example then you are just a stubborn archaic human being...You maybe outdated and paranoid...


Look no further than what happened to music.

The quality of music has not gone down...There is just more music available for people to judge...For example, soul music and classic rock (Black Sabbath & Led Zeppelin) died LONG before the internet, because people try to be creative and push the envelope, as a result, the sounds change...
But music is subjective, there is NO way of verifying if one form of music is better than another...You can't design an experiment for that...


Quality of information goes down, the discourse on any given subject can be controlled by one entity, and it's harder to parse legitimate sources from those with agendas.

Dude, the quality of information has NOT gone down...There is just more info available...There are ways of discerning legitimate sources...You go to academic databases...Academic authors attend to be available if you have any questions about the research they published...

So, who is being LAZY now...? haha...The discourse on any given subject is now available to anybody who wants to participate...With the internet, you can go to a medical forum and discuss issues with doctors, you can go on writing forum and discuss issues with English professors, and you get opinions from people from different cultural backgrounds...Would we even be having this discussion before the electronic age...? I am in Canada, and I don't know where you are, and yet we are able to debate and exchange opinions and ideas...This would NOT be possible in the age of hard copy books...

It was even HARDER with hard copy books to tell the agenda of the authors...For example, the Bible, the Koran and many other books that served to promote a certain agenda...

Like I said before, it's your responsibility as a reader to figure out which info is reliable...Again, who is being lazy now...?


I might not own a physical copy of a book but it isn't susceptible to being deleted from the cloud, being tampered with on the cloud, etc

But how do you know the info was not tampered with before publication and printing...I really don't understand why you are making this point...The Bible was a physical copy for YEARS, and look at all the tampering it has been through...?

If it's an academic book, you can always verify the information by getting in touch with the author, and comparing the info you have with new info being published...If it's a fictional book, then how does it matter...? Harry Potter is Black in your physical copy, but Yellow in the e-book version, so what...?


You really should learn to write concise and coherent, since most of what you typed was extraneous.

I think I am being concise and very direct...There maybe spelling and grammatical error here and there, but I don't think the message is lost...If you need clarification, you need to state it...

But you like to dodge, and argue in circles..hahaha


So the only thing you have listed as an advantage so far is the space and money you save from e-books? Not very convincing.

1) Speed 2) Convenience (storage, portability, universality, accessibility) 3) Financially (you can always back your hard drive and printout the book when needed)...

If your physical copy burns down in fire, and ruined by water, juice/food spills and etc...You have to spend more money on a new copy...It makes NO sense...

All these are MAJOR advantages...

Yet, you have stated ZERO advantages of physical copies...Your copy cannot be tampered with...hahaha...How does that even matter when you did not produce your copy, and thus, it could have been tampered with at any point along the production line...

Also, if I buy an e-Book the very day it's published, and save it on a hard drive not connect to the internet, how will it be tampered with...?

Basically, your ONLY argument for physical books are paranoid delusions of mysterious tampering by an illusive shadowy government of rich people...

In that case, why are you even on the internet...? You should be in a cave somewhere with no radio signals eating from the land...


You DON'T have a legitimate argument for physical books...I am sure physical books have some advantages in extremely repressive societies, but our context is Western society, so I don't see a legitimate against e-Books...
 

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Bruh, you're an idiot. Enjoy you're technocratic-libertarian future. Tell me how great your soylent fountains are because they "give you nutrients faster" while I eat my fine dining with the 1% as we laugh at you idiots.
 
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I have addressed this point..If you are NOT creating the new knowledge, then how else are you going to get it...? Do you think some mysterious figure is going to drop a Book in your mail box while you are sleeping...?

We have NO control of what information we get, and how we get it...Our duty as intelligent beings is develop a critical open-mind, so we can consider new info, and critically appraise it...

If your problem is Government control, then what makes you think that government cannot take control of all the publishing houses, and control what books are printed, and when they are printed...

In fact, it will be EASIER for the government to control physical books compared to e-Books, because once something has been published on the internet, it can be access one way or another by an individual with the knowledge...

Just think about WikiLeaks, can you imagine how much difficult it would have been for Assange to disseminate that info to all people across the globe, if he had to make physical copies...?

WikiLeaks is GREAT example of why electronic dissemination of info to the maximum amount of people is a more efficient method...

Books are USELESS...It's slow and outdated medium...If Western Governments truly had malicious intentions to control the people, believe me, they would shut down the internet, and go back to books, because that will be a more effect intervention...Why? Books are bottle neck system, that only allows a limited amount of info to a limited amount amount of people...

God Bless the internet...

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You can't be serious, or either you're no older than 21
 
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You can't be serious, or either you're no older than 21
I am dead serious...

The average person isn't out there observing, researching and publishing new info...How many of us read a story in the newspaper and take the time to contact the author to verify the source, and take the time to go to the place were the story happened to investigate and confirm the facts for ourselves...?

We don't have time to that...

So, on some level we must have faith in the people who are doing this professionally, and have a belief that they do they have strong ethical and moral principles guiding their professional practice...

How do you know the info in your physical book is reliable...? Did you investigate it...?
 

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I am dead serious...

The average person isn't out there observing, researching and publishing new info...How many of us read a story in the newspaper and take the time to contact the author to verify the source, and take the time to go to the place were the story happened to investigate and confirm the facts for ourselves...?

We don't have time to that...

So, on some level we must have faith in the people who are doing this professionally, and have a belief that they do they have strong ethical and moral principles guiding their professional practice...

How do you know the info in your physical book is reliable...? Did you investigate it...?

There are TONS of people who verify sources in published works. You're literally making up BS.
 

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I have addressed this point..If you are NOT creating the new knowledge, then how else are you going to get it...? Do you think some mysterious figure is going to drop a Book in your mail box while you are sleeping...?

We have NO control of what information we get, and how we get it...Our duty as intelligent beings is develop a critical open-mind, so we can consider new info, and critically appraise it...

If your problem is Government control, then what makes you think that government cannot take control of all the publishing houses, and control what books are printed, and when they are printed...

In fact, it will be EASIER for the government to control physical books compared to e-Books, because once something has been published on the internet, it can be access one way or another by an individual with the knowledge...

Just think about WikiLeaks, can you imagine how much difficult it would have been for Assange to disseminate that info to all people across the globe, if he had to make physical copies...?

WikiLeaks is GREAT example of why electronic dissemination of info to the maximum amount of people is a more efficient method...

Books are USELESS...It's slow and outdated medium...If Western Governments truly had malicious intentions to control the people, believe me, they would shut down the internet, and go back to books, because that will be a more effect intervention...Why? Books are bottle neck system, that only allows a limited amount of info to a limited amount amount of people...

God Bless the internet...
right now there's a boom in digitizing books. they're trying to get all books digitized. whatever they call that field of study, it's what's hot in the IT field.
once they have all books digitized for a while they will use that power for good and bad. everything's head in cloud direction. god help us when they use this technology against us.
 
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I am dead serious...

The average person isn't out there observing, researching and publishing new info...How many of us read a story in the newspaper and take the time to contact the author to verify the source, and take the time to go to the place were the story happened to investigate and confirm the facts for ourselves...?

We don't have time to that...

So, on some level we must have faith in the people who are doing this professionally, and have a belief that they do they have strong ethical and moral principles guiding their professional practice...

How do you know the info in your physical book is reliable...? Did you investigate it...?

Resource materials have bibliographies. Acquisition editors at publishing houses go through a stringent vetting process when publishing new works...Same thing for highly reputable newspapers.......Anybody can write ebook about anything and put it on his\her website
 

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There are TONS of people who verify sources in published works. You're literally making up BS.

no there aren't. there's a lot of false info out there. and by the time it's verified to be [true or] false the damage has already been done anyway..

as long as there's money to be made and a political agenda behind it it'll get push. even if it's false info.
 
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no there aren't. there's a lot of false info out there. and by the time it's verified to be [true or] false the damage has already been done anyway..

as long as there's money to be made and a political agenda behind it it'll get push. even if it's false info.

We're not talking about media......We're talking about published hardcopy books vs ebooks
 

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i like studying in them cuz i can't focus at home with so much shyt i'd rather be doing
 
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