Kill Dat Noize
Banned
The whole song is about him telling a girl that she lusts for him.
the song is about being addicted to heroin
How could Jay Z be the GOAT when he's never made a good song that wasn't about Jay Z?
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the song is about being addicted to heroin
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
the song is about being addicted to heroin
No it isn't. It's about a girl. The heroin stuff is allegorical. He's comparing the chick's lust for him to an addict fiending for heroin, not the other way around.
Kill Dat Noize
Banned
okay, fair point.
KravenMorehead™
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if you replaced "Jay" with "Kendrick", and your screename with "@SirBiatch", you'd be catchin all kinda negs right now
Edit: or "Cole"
Inspect Her Deck
Skins of all colours come together as brothers
As I've said to many people before, you specifically I believe, my GOAT is determined by body of work, which is a perfectly reasonable barometer to measure greatness. Jay has 3 classics, not many other people do. I could give a fukk about subject matter. Not everyone brings the same stuff to the table in terms of song writing. Redman is in my top 5, he's a weed dude more or less lol. But he does it in so many different ways it is interesting, same with Jay.
I mean I see what you're saying about the worldview but I feel it is reaching a little bit because while he incorporates himself into it, it really is applicable to all kinda thing. It's an all inclusive type of thing he's going for. Granted, not as fully detached as Pac rapping about Brenda's Got a Baby for example but still. D'Evils...I still don't see how that doesn't count for something that is other than him. There's a larger theme at hand, and he's far from the centre of the story, unlike Imaginary Player, which I can concede is mainly about him.
3 classics? I'd argue that Jay-Z has 0 classics.However, Jay-Z has more decent albums than anyone in rap history. And by "decent" albums, I mean albums that contain at least 3 or 4 superb tracks.
Inspect Her Deck
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However, Jay-Z has more good albums than anyone in rap history. And by "good" albums, I mean albums that contain at least 3 or 4 superb tracks.
Lol you must be out of your mind breh.
RD, Blueprint, Black Album are pretty damn certified.
by who?
All those albums have phenomenal songs, but they also have filler. They also all contain radio-attempt songs - some great, some terrible. Classics in the true sense of the word don't have filler and don't dumb their music down for radio
don't waste your time, breh.
at Jay having no classics....
Inspect Her Deck
Skins of all colours come together as brothers
@SirBiatch man they have vast critical acclaim you can't ignore that.
Also by that logic, Supreme Clientele has Cherchez LaGhost. A lot of filler skits, in fact one of the worst when it comes to that shyt.
Also by that logic, Supreme Clientele has Cherchez LaGhost. A lot of filler skits, in fact one of the worst when it comes to that shyt.
Cherchez LaGhost is brilliant. That was not a radio song. I remember clearly when Cherchez LaGhost came out. I thought it was the wackest shyt ever because it was so weird. And I was used to hearing radio friendly hip hop.
Breh, we're talking filler songs. fukk a skit. I could easily do without the Woodrow skit. I never liked it. The other skit tho (Who Would You fukk) is the greatest skit I've ever heard in rap. It's hilarious, it's musical... it's great shyt.
All that is besides the point tho
Let's not deflect to Supreme Clientele here. Let's focus on Jay-Z. This is about Jay-Z.I know those albums you mentioned have critical acclaim. Rightfully so. They're great albums. But classic? That's a different category. Illmatic and Cuban Linx aren't just great albums - they're classics. It's a different tier.
Mention me on some childish shyt but have nothing to add... on some childish shyt.
Inspect Her Deck
Skins of all colours come together as brothers
Cherchez LaGhost is brilliant. That was not a radio song. I remember clearly when Cherchez LaGhost came out. I thought it was the wackest shyt ever because it was so weird. And I was used to hearing radio friendly hip hop.
Breh, we're talking filler songs. fukk a skit. I could easily do without the Woodrow skit. I never liked it. The other skit tho (Who Would You fukk) is the greatest skit I've ever heard in rap. It's hilarious, it's musical... it's great shyt.
All that is besides the point tho
I know those albums you mentioned have critical acclaim. Rightfully so. They're great albums. But classic? That's a different category. Illmatic and Cuban Linx aren't just great albums - they're classics. It's a different tier.
Ok on topic.
A classic has to have both the quality and the influence.
By you calling them great albums, I'm assuming you're referring to quality. So that's one thing.
Reasonable Doubt was influential because it took the mafioso sub-genre and approached it from a different angle, and as it turned out, most albums thereafter followed the RD style of subject matter more so than the Cuban Linx style, though Cuban Linx was definitely more influential and better in the grand scheme of things.
The Blueprint was influential for its sound alone, although Supreme Clientele never gets the credit it deserves for ironically being the blueprint album for The Blueprint. Plus it has a lot of classic tracks. Not as cohesive as Reasonable Doubt, but full of powerhouse tracks, cultural references used to this day etc.
The Black Album is literally an abundance of classic tracks. The impact of 99 Problems and Dirt Off Your Shoulder alone is enough to merit its classic status, but in reality every song is so dope as well. That album was a culmination of everything Jay-Z had put into previous albums, all rolled into one album.
Ineedmoney504
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And don't give me Meet the Parents. Contrived, forced, uninspired, tried way too hard...the message subtlety of an Oliver Stone film.
Don't even mention Minority Report with that gay ass John McCain whisper flow.
Where the fukk is your Doorags nikka?
Where's your Love's Gonna Getcha nikka?
Where's your Brenda's Got a Baby nikka?
Where's your Fight the Power nikka?
Where's your Hey Young World nikka?
Where's your Streets of New York nikka?
Where's your Git Up, Git Out nikka?
Where's your I used to Love H.E.R nikka?
Where's your Millie Pulled a Pistol on Santa Claus nikka?
Where's your Sucka nikka nikka?
And out of a bunch of classic hip-hop songs that's only 10 shyts!
Be furious ghost And c00nza getting sonned sonned by some Cac and instead of placing your hate towards said Cac, send it at the goat Jayz is the goat due to his real life experiences, I'm not gon dock him for not having a bunch of
when he giving up his life at its finest. Now we just need to say fukk that mchg trash and focus for a month and let Ross pick his beats and drop another classic