How could Jay Z be the GOAT when he's never made a good song that wasn't about Jay Z?
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The whole song is about him telling a girl that she lusts for him. 
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
Also now relating to your argument Fallin' isn't about him and it's fantastic.
And how about the third verse of Empire State of Mind? Also fantastic.
"Lights is blinding, girls need blinders
Or they could step out of bounds quick, the sidelines is
Lined with casualties, who sip to life casually
Then gradually become worse, don't bite the apple, Eve
Caught up in the in-crowd, now you're in style
Anna Wintour gets cold, in Vogue with your skin out
City of sin, it's a pity on a whim
Good girls gone bad, the city's filled with them
Mommy took a bus trip, now she got her bust out
Everybody ride her, just like a bus route
Hail Mary to the city, you're a virgin
And Jesus can't save you, life starts when the church end
Came here for school, graduated to the high life
Ball players, rap stars, addicted to the limelight
MDMA got you feelin' like a champion
The city never sleeps, better slip you an Ambien"
Empire State of Mind and Fallin. Gotta give you those. So along with Meet the Parents and Minority Report we're up to 4 Jay Z songs that aren't about Jay Z. And you named 2 good ones, unlike the first two. First good argument from a Jay defender in the thread. + rep.
Ballad For A Soldier on BP2Wtf are you talking about? Every single one of those songs is about him.
Jay Z is musically narcissistic. He lacks the ability to effective write music about anything outside of how it directly affects him.
The songs you listed are introspective and he is great at being introspective. He can't step outside of himself though.
Nah I just posted Can I Live because I wanted to post Can I Live.Did dude really post "Can I Live" as an example of Jay not writing about himself?
"Empire State of Mind" would actually a good example if it wasn't so corny.
That's why I said after "and now relating to your argument".
And that third verse isn't corny, it's great writing
Maybe you could say that about the previous two though.
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
Ok. That song sucks, but it qualifies. We're up to 5 now. 2 are good (Fallin, Empire State of Mind).
A Star Is Born off bp3
meet the parents.
close this stupid ass thread.
close this stupid ass thread.
Indiglow Meta (R$G)
Ultra.
Nah, "I know" is about drug addiction and a naive rise to fame.
OP is right.
Jay-Z's whole appeal is that he's the most self-aware rapper ever, to the point of fulfilling self-prophecy. Why do you think people caught such a chill off "U Don't Know?" That song is the essence of Jay-Z. And for the most part, he's made that song 100 times before and after U Don't Know.
OP is talking about Jay-Z's worldview. It's not expansive like your best hip hop artists. Jay-Z's worldview is Jay-Z. Lettuce be reality. That doesn't make Jay-Z wack, and he's still one of the greatest to ever do it, but GOAT? How can you be GOAT when the greatest rappers have expansive worldviews? Frankly, we crown rappers GOAT because they're the most observant about shyt we hadn't thought about/needed to know.
Ghost is not a good example. Look at his verse on "I Cant Go To Sleep" and how that shyt starts.
Technique is ill son, watch how I spill one
Peace to Biggie, 2Pac, Big L and Big Pun
Havoc on the streets of Staten, snitches
House nikkas, children watch as they produce the same pattern
Somebody raped our women, murdered our babies
Hit us with the cracks and guns in the early 80's
For those that murdered me shall stand before God
To fall at the hands of fate, then out comes the rod
Bring it back, bring it back, bring it back
What the fukk is going on, I can't go to sleep
Feds jumping out their jeeps, I can't go to sleep
Babies with flies on they cheeks, it's hard to go to sleep
Ish bowled two 6's twice, I couldn't go to sleep
Aiyyo we deep in the stairs, we carry big guns
Whippy got hit up with the big shyt, bong bong
Yes, Ghost is speaking in first person as an observant first-person, but the reason this hits so hard is that Ghost is speaking on larger issues/things than just himself.
Jay-Z's whole appeal is that he's the most self-aware rapper ever, to the point of fulfilling self-prophecy. Why do you think people caught such a chill off "U Don't Know?" That song is the essence of Jay-Z. And for the most part, he's made that song 100 times before and after U Don't Know.
OP is talking about Jay-Z's worldview. It's not expansive like your best hip hop artists. Jay-Z's worldview is Jay-Z. Lettuce be reality. That doesn't make Jay-Z wack, and he's still one of the greatest to ever do it, but GOAT? How can you be GOAT when the greatest rappers have expansive worldviews? Frankly, we crown rappers GOAT because they're the most observant about shyt we hadn't thought about/needed to know.
Ghost is not a good example. Look at his verse on "I Cant Go To Sleep" and how that shyt starts.
Technique is ill son, watch how I spill one
Peace to Biggie, 2Pac, Big L and Big Pun
Havoc on the streets of Staten, snitches
House nikkas, children watch as they produce the same pattern
Somebody raped our women, murdered our babies
Hit us with the cracks and guns in the early 80's
For those that murdered me shall stand before God
To fall at the hands of fate, then out comes the rod
Bring it back, bring it back, bring it back
What the fukk is going on, I can't go to sleep
Feds jumping out their jeeps, I can't go to sleep
Babies with flies on they cheeks, it's hard to go to sleep
Ish bowled two 6's twice, I couldn't go to sleep
Aiyyo we deep in the stairs, we carry big guns
Whippy got hit up with the big shyt, bong bong
Yes, Ghost is speaking in first person as an observant first-person, but the reason this hits so hard is that Ghost is speaking on larger issues/things than just himself.
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
Yup. Another good example of range Ghost possesses that Jay Z doesn't would be Impossible...
Call an ambulance, Jamie been shot, word to Kemit
Don't go Son, nikka you my motherfukkin heart
Stay still Son, don't move, just think about Keeba
She'll be three in January, your young God needs you
The ambulance is taking too long
Everybody get the fukk back, excuse me bytch, gimme your jack
One, seven one eight, nine one one, low battery, damn
Blood comin out his mouth, he bleedin badly
Nahhh Jamie, don't start that shyt
Keep your head up, if you escape hell we gettin fukked up
When we was eight, we went to Bat Day to see the Yanks
In Sixty-Nine, his father and mines, they robbed banks
He pointed to the charm on his neck
With his last bit of energy left, told me rock it with respect
I opened it, seen the God holdin his kids
Photogenic, tears just burst out my wig
Plus he dropped one, oh shyt, here come his Old Earth
With no shoes on, screamin holdin her breasts with a gown on
She fell and then lightly touched his jaw, kissed him
Rubbed his hair, turned around the ambulance was there
Plus the blue coats, Officer Lough, took it as a joke
Weeks ago he strip-searched the God and gave him back his coke
bytches yellin, Beenie Man swung on Helen
In the back of a cop car, dirty Tasha tellin
But suddenly a chill came through it was weird
Felt like my man, was cast out my heaven now we share
Laid on the stretcher, blood on his Wally's like ketchup
Deep like the full assassination with a sketch of it
It can't be, from Yohoo to Lee's
Second grade humped the teachers, about to leave
Finally this closed chapter, comes to an end
He was announced, pronounced dead, y'all, at twelve ten
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