How can you justify saying Messi is better than Ronaldo?

[Patrick Kane]

Conversation is over. Messi is the GOAT. With or without this World Cup

Messi doing more as they both age, proving he is a more well-rounded and dynamic offensive player. As soon as Ronaldo lost his explosiveness, his game completely diminished. He just isn't as technically skilled as Messi and dominated through sheer physicality and determination to score goals - which he is the GOAT at but in terms of overall? It has to be Messi now.

 

[beejus]

Conversation is over. Messi is the GOAT. With or without this World Cup

Messi doing more as they both age, proving he is a more well-rounded and dynamic offensive player. As soon as Ronaldo lost his explosiveness, his game completely diminished. He just isn't as technically skilled as Messi and dominated through sheer physicality and determination to score goals - which he is the GOAT at but in terms of overall? It has to be Messi now.

The goal difference between these two isn't that much. Messi is quickly shrinking that total as he's still scoring goals and Ronaldo isn't. We'll see if Ronaldo goes to Saudi Arabia and starts banging in goals again.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

Conversation is over. Messi is the GOAT. With or without this World Cup

Messi doing more as they both age, proving he is a more well-rounded and dynamic offensive player. As soon as Ronaldo lost his explosiveness, his game completely diminished. He just isn't as technically skilled as Messi and dominated through sheer physicality and determination to score goals - which he is the GOAT at but in terms of overall? It has to be Messi now.

How is he better than Pele?

 

[Joe Sixpack]

I think its in the cards for Argentina I think they gonna win this shyt

 

[Patrick Kane]

The goal difference between these two isn't that much. Messi is quickly shrinking that total as he's still scoring goals and Ronaldo isn't. We'll see if Ronaldo goes to Saudi Arabia and starts banging in goals again.

And that's kind of what has to end the conversation.... Messi was banging in just as many goals and has almost double the assists

It's a shame seeing Ronaldo's ego ruin the last bits of what has been an absolutely legendary career. If he was willing to adjust his game and play a more defined role within a system given his age, he'd still be elite but he wants to be the "man" and can't face the fact that he no longer is.

 

[beejus]

How is he better than Pele?

He might not be better, but it's similar to saying Jordan is better than Bill Russell. Both are fantastic but played in such different eras it is hard to compare. Plus I have my doubts on the goal totals for Pele. Though I know he was phenomenal.

 

[Patrick Kane]

He might not be better, but it's similar to saying Jordan is better than Bill Russell. Both are fantastic but played in such different eras it is hard to compare. Plus I have my doubts on the goal totals for Pele. Though I know he was phenomenal.

Basically this. Pele is no doubt one of the GOATs but like you said, in the vein of Wilt and Bill as pioneering GOATs of the game who paved the way for the modern day legends. Plus Pele played most of his career at his peak in Brazil. I'm sure competition was just as fierce and that league was filled with legends at the time but Messi literally plays against the best players from all corners of the earth due to soccer being more international, which IMO raises the level of competition.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

Basically this. Pele is no doubt one of the GOATs but like you said, in the vein of Wilt and Bill as pioneering GOATs of the game who paved the way for the modern day legends. Plus Pele played most of his career at his peak in Brazil. I'm sure competition was just as fierce and that league was filled with legends at the time but Messi literally plays against the best players from all corners of the earth due to soccer being more international, which IMO raises the level of competition.

So Pele not really scoring over 1,200 goals is really a thing?

I read that Diego Maradona said to him who did you score those goals against your son in your backyard?



That shyt was wild disrespectful

 

[Bboystyle]

be sure to up this when hes crying at midfield with another final lost

 

[beejus]

be sure to up this when hes crying at midfield with another final lost

Very well might lose the final and very well might cry, but still doesn't change what he's out there still doing on the worlds biggest stage.

 

[Ill-Yaz]

Conversation is over. Messi is the GOAT. With or without this World Cup

Messi doing more as they both age, proving he is a more well-rounded and dynamic offensive player. As soon as Ronaldo lost his explosiveness, his game completely diminished. He just isn't as technically skilled as Messi and dominated through sheer physicality and determination to score goals - which he is the GOAT at but in terms of overall? It has to be Messi now.

No way

He needs to win the world cup to win the debate

 

[beejus]

No way

He needs to win the world cup to win the debate

Say he does lose in the final to France. Who retains the title as the best?

 

[WaveGang]

Basically this. Pele is no doubt one of the GOATs but like you said, in the vein of Wilt and Bill as pioneering GOATs of the game who paved the way for the modern day legends. Plus Pele played most of his career at his peak in Brazil. I'm sure competition was just as fierce and that league was filled with legends at the time but Messi literally plays against the best players from all corners of the earth due to soccer being more international, which IMO raises the level of competition.

Pele won the World Cup 3 times against the best players from the four corners of the earth. Not once, 3 times

What you’re saying makes zero sense

 

[Joe Sixpack]

Pele won the World Cup 3 times against the best players from the four corners of the earth. Not once, 3 times

What you’re saying makes zero sense

Pele was a phenom

 

[Ill-Yaz]

Say he does lose in the final to France. Who retains the title as the best?

There will be no clear winner as is the case now.