feelosofer
#ninergang
It is the societal structure of America and it is the music too. You can't say say the music does not play a considerable role in the ills of the Black community. I'm saying that the two are not mutually exclusive.
How can you claim to be against white supremacy, but still perpetuate its legacy?
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It is the societal structure of America and it is the music too. You can't say say the music does not play a considerable role in the ills of the Black community. I'm saying that the two are not mutually exclusive.
godkiller
"We are the Fury"
I am adding caveats to the notion that a disproportionate amount of crime in black neighborhoods is a "problem". Is it as much of a problem as you and others make out? Maybe not. Should it be reduced? Yes, but ultimately black problems are more than just black crime. This view also provides some incidental support for @MeachTheMonster 's assertion that cacs blow up "black-on-black" crime, which you acknowledge is a problem too.
No I didn't play dumb. I said I don't have enough info to give a defensive answer.you played dumb and refused to answer a simple question that you knew was about to shatter your whole argument. You "ran" at that point
You said you have the answer. I asked you to prove your answer with facts, you ran away.
So again you said
Listening to rap music cause black kids to do crime and end up in prison.
And
Yao Ming inspired more black kids to play basketball than Asian.
These are your assertions. PROVE THEM.
godkiller
"We are the Fury"
But if the music is curtailed, where else are blacks going to get their black people media? I imagine rap and hip hop is one of the reasons the black American community is not so into c00nery like other black disaporas are in the non-black majority Americas. Because outside rap and hip hop, there is virtually no black presence. So while rap music causes harm it probably engenders some good too. My experience is that blacks in other parts of the world suffer more for a lack of music genres like rap and hip hop. When blacks see other blacks in a successful and representative light, they benefit from it.
Perhaps the solution is more POSITIVE rap and hip hop, not the elimination or discouraging of the two genres.
i'll ask again since you avoided answering. is the breakdown of the black family a problem or not?
what?
white supremacy taught me that foreigners come to black neighborhoods to vacuum out wealth? really? where did that lesson come from? there is NOT less poverty. the poverty rate has remained unchanged. blacks have NOT built more wealth. furthermore, the racial gap between races has increased. don't let your lil xbox and hdtv fool you, there has been NO progression.
you can't cure a disease, if you ignore the symptoms.
once again, it's a problem. that's like suggesting poverty and shytty education isn't a problem.
It does not play a role in the ills of black community.
Sex, violence, misogyny, have always been prevalent in popular culture.
White supremacy has made it so that very normal human behavior coming from black people is viewed as"abnormal" or "wrong"
The same images are prevelent in all forms of entertainment all around the world. Why is it only rap music and black people that get the bad rap?
PhonZhi
Veteran
all lies. Just give it up breh. You're better than this
You cant combat white supremacy if you deny the tactics used. You're denying the very existance of "propaganda" as a tool of white supremacy. Right now, in this day and age, "propaganda" is one of the BIGGEST tools of white supremacy.
godkiller
"We are the Fury"
@MeachTheMonster
Academic and peer reviewed evidence that illegal Mexican immigration hurts black Americans and increases black American incarceration and unemployment rates (particularly black men):
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/harvard-study-confirms-blacks-and-black-men-suffer-most-from-illegal-immigration-influx.272533/
- A joint paper by professors at the University of California, University of Chicago and Harvard for the National Bureau of Economic Research concluded that immigration has measurably lowered black wages. One author, Dr. Gordon H. Hanson of UC San Diego, said, "Our study suggests that a 10 percent immigrant-induced increase in the supply of a skill group is associated with a reduction in the black wage of 4.0 percent, a reduction in the black employment rate of 3.5 percentage points, and an increase in the black institutionalization [incarceration] rate of 0.8 percentage points."10
- Dr. Hanson also testified before the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights that, "The economic adjustments unleashed by the large 1980–2000 immigrant influx, a labor supply shock that increased the number of workers in the United States by nearly 10 percent and the number of high school dropouts by over 20 percent, reduced the employment rate of low-skill black men by about eight percentage points. Immigration, therefore, accounts for about 40 percent of the 18 percentage point decline in black employment rates. Similarly, the changes in economic opportunities caused by the 1980–2000 immigrant influx raised the incarceration rate of black high school dropouts by 1.7 percentage points, accounting for about 10 percent of the 20 percentage point increase observed during that period."11
- Dr. Harry J. Holzer of Georgetown University and the Urban Institute has addressed evidence from two studies showing that employers may have a preference for hiring immigrants over black citizens, noting the studies show "that employers perceive stronger work ethic among the immigrants, and a greater willingness to tolerate low wages... Some of these perceptions and the hiring behavior they generate might well reflect discrimination, especially against black men whom employers generally fear…"15
- Vernon M. Briggs, Jr., professor emeritus in labor economics at Cornell, has noted that both illegal immigrant and black workers tend to "cluster in metropolitan areas," thus increasing the likelihood that they will compete for the same jobs. Dr. Briggs adds, "there is little doubt that there is significant overlap in competition for jobs in this sector of the labor market. Given the inordinately high unemployment rates for low-skilled black workers (the highest for all racial and ethnic groups for whom data is collected), it is obvious that the major loser in this competition are low-skilled black workers. This is not surprising, since if employers have an opportunity to hire illegal immigrant workers, they will always give them preference over legal workers of any race or ethnic background..."
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No "white supremacy", just facts.
Academic and peer reviewed evidence that illegal Mexican immigration hurts black Americans and increases black American incarceration and unemployment rates (particularly black men):
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/harvard-study-confirms-blacks-and-black-men-suffer-most-from-illegal-immigration-influx.272533/
- A joint paper by professors at the University of California, University of Chicago and Harvard for the National Bureau of Economic Research concluded that immigration has measurably lowered black wages. One author, Dr. Gordon H. Hanson of UC San Diego, said, "Our study suggests that a 10 percent immigrant-induced increase in the supply of a skill group is associated with a reduction in the black wage of 4.0 percent, a reduction in the black employment rate of 3.5 percentage points, and an increase in the black institutionalization [incarceration] rate of 0.8 percentage points."10
- Dr. Hanson also testified before the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights that, "The economic adjustments unleashed by the large 1980–2000 immigrant influx, a labor supply shock that increased the number of workers in the United States by nearly 10 percent and the number of high school dropouts by over 20 percent, reduced the employment rate of low-skill black men by about eight percentage points. Immigration, therefore, accounts for about 40 percent of the 18 percentage point decline in black employment rates. Similarly, the changes in economic opportunities caused by the 1980–2000 immigrant influx raised the incarceration rate of black high school dropouts by 1.7 percentage points, accounting for about 10 percent of the 20 percentage point increase observed during that period."11
- Dr. Harry J. Holzer of Georgetown University and the Urban Institute has addressed evidence from two studies showing that employers may have a preference for hiring immigrants over black citizens, noting the studies show "that employers perceive stronger work ethic among the immigrants, and a greater willingness to tolerate low wages... Some of these perceptions and the hiring behavior they generate might well reflect discrimination, especially against black men whom employers generally fear…"15
- Vernon M. Briggs, Jr., professor emeritus in labor economics at Cornell, has noted that both illegal immigrant and black workers tend to "cluster in metropolitan areas," thus increasing the likelihood that they will compete for the same jobs. Dr. Briggs adds, "there is little doubt that there is significant overlap in competition for jobs in this sector of the labor market. Given the inordinately high unemployment rates for low-skilled black workers (the highest for all racial and ethnic groups for whom data is collected), it is obvious that the major loser in this competition are low-skilled black workers. This is not surprising, since if employers have an opportunity to hire illegal immigrant workers, they will always give them preference over legal workers of any race or ethnic background..."
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No "white supremacy", just facts.
feelosofer
#ninergang
We have a lot of positive hip-hop out there. But we as a collective don't want to hear it. I mean think it about you frequent the Booth, look at how it's changed over the years. Now of course this is an online forum and it's not 100 percent real life, but look at how many threads hype up cats like Future, Fetty Wap, Young Thug, Migos etc, and look at the tone they take towards rappers like Lupe, Kendrick, Nas, J. Cole etc. Positive hip-hop is automatically preachy, corny, elitist.
I grew up during the early hip-hop days and my teenage years were filled with both street and idealistic (late 80's early 90s) but there was a balance. Really ever since we allowed nikkaz4Life to plat, the entire climate has changed since then. Hip hop is an international music at this point and there was a thread about how Trap music is hurting even African culture.
I agree we need more images of Blacks being successful but it has to outside of Sports and Entertainment.
godkiller
"We are the Fury"
It's definitely a problem but there are degrees of importance and a hierarchy of importance. Perhaps solving education is more important than crime. Or encouraging entrepreneurism is more important than crime. Maybe we should focus on both.
sounds like it's time for another wshh game
going to wshh and just picking the first music video: lyrics containing:
- gun talk, check
- drug abuse, check
- killing nikkas, check
has more to do with what's being promoted, imo
PhonZhi
Veteran
I worked in a youth detention center for 2 years and the amount of "aspiring rappers" was horrifying