Horn of Africa Regional Thread

[2Quik4UHoes]

Potential was me being nice. The moment he disbanded the EPRDF and formalized the PP as a single political entity, he more or less chose to continue the TPLF's autocratic grip. It would be disingenuous to equate the recent election to any of Ethiopia's previous one-party elections, but there is only a marginal difference in outcome when Abiy walks away with 410 of the 421 seats available. Widespread electoral misconduct, allegations of repression, widespread ethnic tension, violent outbursts and somehow a single political party has managed to absolute dominate the political plain. Something magic about that 97 number.

Yes, the TPLF is a foreign-sponsored agent that turned Ethiopia in the largest American client state on the continent, but the political framework they established is good. As a Tigrayan minority they rightfully recognized Ethiopia as a multinational state. Ethnic federalism is not ideal, but was not manifested out of thin air. It was created to accustom Ethiopia's inherent demographic problem. It is (theoretically anyway) a bulwark against the outright tyranny of the masses. All groups should be respected as citizens, but we cannot ignore the cultural and linguistic differences as was done by previous centralized rule. A homogenized view of 'Ethiopian' is inherently problematic.

None of this means I think the TPLF is good by any definition, nor do I think Abiy is inherently bad. Still, decentralized vs centralized.

To me the very notion of the EPRDF was the problem. Ethnic based politics is a poison chalice and in the end it hasn’t gotten Ethiopia any closer to creating a more equitable society. Which is why it’s funny that you say the framework they implemented was good. It was good for an exclusive group of petit bourgeois Tigrayan but beyond that how much better has the lives of Tigrayans gotten under the TPLF’s model? At best, their model began the conversation of inclusion but then again you can say they swagger jacked a lot of what the Derg was doing so we’re basically giving them extra credit because they’re West friendly. In the end their platform was also used with incredible ill intent and simply traded one tyranny for another.

Abiy’s aims might be autocratic. For now this is speculative. I’m not a fan of his neoliberal tendencies so I’m not exactly a partisan of his. Moreover, I think his platform draws criticism and suspicion because it leans too much on a very shallow interpretation of Ethiopia. Our history goes back much further than Axum but if that’s the starting point then that’s part of the problem. That Axumcentric slant feeds into the idea of Highlander cultural hegemony which needs to end. Ethiopia is all of these groups and so much more and a political and cultural philosophy that speaks to that is important.

As far as I’m concerned, you can have a balanced political system without the centralized vs decentralized. States based on region instead of ethnicity which affords that region a certain level of autonomy much like here in America. You can still have a strong federal government with states rights. You can have a society where citizenship doesn’t have to mean a homogenous identity. Whether or not the so called intellectuals and politicos decide that this is a worthwhile venture is another story. As of this date, most of them still revert to the same tired old feudal mentality while simultaneously claiming to despise it.

 

[Broke Wave]

To me the very notion of the EPRDF was the problem. Ethnic based politics is a poison chalice and in the end it hasn’t gotten Ethiopia any closer to creating a more equitable society. Which is why it’s funny that you say the framework they implemented was good. It was good for an exclusive group of petit bourgeois Tigrayan but beyond that how much better has the lives of Tigrayans gotten under the TPLF’s model? At best, their model began the conversation of inclusion but then again you can say they swagger jacked a lot of what the Derg was doing so we’re basically giving them extra credit because they’re West friendly. In the end their platform was also used with incredible ill intent and simply traded one tyranny for another.

Abiy’s aims might be autocratic. For now this is speculative. I’m not a fan of his neoliberal tendencies so I’m not exactly a partisan of his. Moreover, I think his platform draws criticism and suspicion because it leans too much on a very shallow interpretation of Ethiopia. Our history goes back much further than Axum but if that’s the starting point then that’s part of the problem. That Axumcentric slant feeds into the idea of Highlander cultural hegemony which needs to end. Ethiopia is all of these groups and so much more and a political and cultural philosophy that speaks to that is important.

As far as I’m concerned, you can have a balanced political system without the centralized vs decentralized. States based on region instead of ethnicity which affords that region a certain level of autonomy much like here in America. You can still have a strong federal government with states rights. You can have a society where citizenship doesn’t have to mean a homogenous identity. Whether or not the so called intellectuals and politicos decide that this is a worthwhile venture is another story. As of this date, most of them still revert to the same tired old feudal mentality while simultaneously claiming to despise it.

Let’s keep it simple

TPLF harms muslims overtly and especially Somalis.

Ethiopia is 45-50 percent Muslim and 10-15 percent Somali.

They have beef with Christian Amharas

Where is the broad coalition they are drawing from?

Pure fantasy fiction from this guy either he was born in 2004 or he’s never heard of Ogaden

 

[dtownreppin214]

Woyane begging till the very end. They need to kill this fakkit.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Woyane begging till the very end. They need to kill this fakkit.

Need to cut this bytch nikka tongue out and let him talk his shyt after that. fukkin faggit, hope the Afars chop his dikk and balls off and toss him into the acid pools in Danakil

 

[Frieza]

Let’s keep it simple

TPLF harms muslims overtly and especially Somalis.

Ethiopia is 45-50 percent Muslim and 10-15 percent Somali.

They have beef with Christian Amharas

Where is the broad coalition they are drawing from?

Pure fantasy fiction from this guy either he was born in 2004 or he’s never heard of Ogaden

Who said the TPLF is popular? It is a Tegaru party, and always has been. Alhamdulillah they're getting their due. Still, keep the emotions out of it nikka. PP is vastly better than the TPLF, but a centralized Ethiopia inherently represents an Amhara-'Oromo' hegemony. Nothing fundamentally changes in the SR. Cagjar is not Iley, but he represents Somalis just as much as he does.

 

[dtownreppin214]

Air war is in full swing.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Military coup in Sudan. Feels like Sisi just made a move. Let’s see if the Sudanese people actually stand up or if they’ll be obedient as usual

 

[Liu Kang]

Sudanese government officials detained and internet access cut in apparent coup

Sudanese government officials detained and internet access cut in apparent coup

Issued on: 25/10/2021 - 05:08

Military forces detained at least five senior Sudanese government figures on Monday, officials said, as the country's main pro-democracy group called on people to take to the streets to counter an apparent military coup.

The Sudanese Professionals’ Association, a group leading demands for a transition to democracy, also said there were internet and phone signal outages across the country.

A possible takeover by the military would be a major setback for Sudan, which has grappled with a transition to democracy since long-time autocrat Omar al-Bashir was toppled by mass protests.

Monday's arrests come after weeks of rising tensions between Sudan’s civilian and military leaders. A failed coup attempt in September fractured the country along old lines, pitting more-conservative Islamists who want a military government against those who toppled al-Bashir more than two years ago in mass protests. In recent days, both camps have taken to the street in demonstrations.

The arrests of the five government figures were confirmed by two officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media.

The officials said the detained government members include Industry Minister Ibrahim al-Sheikh, Information Minister Hamza Baloul, and Mohammed al-Fiky Suliman, member of the country's ruling transitional body, known as The Sovereign Council, and Faisal Mohammed Saleh, a media adviser to Prime Minister Abdalla Hamdok.

The whereabouts of Hamdok were not immediately clear, amid media reports that security forces were stationed outside his home in Khartoum. Photos circulating online showed men in uniform standing in the dark, allegedly near his home.

Ayman Khalid, governor of the state containing the capital, Khartoum, was also arrested, according to the official Facebook page of his office.

The arrests followed meetings the U.S. special envoy for the Horn of Africa Jeffrey Feltman had with Sudanese military and civilian leaders Saturday and Sunday in efforts to resolve the dispute. Sudan's state news website highlighted the meetings with military officials.

NetBlocks, a group which tracks disruptions across the internet, said it had seen a “significant disruption” to both fixed-line and mobile internet connections across Sudan with multiple providers early Monday.

“Metrics corroborate user reports network disruptions appearing consistent with an internet shutdown,” the advocacy group said. “The disruption is likely to limit the free flow of information online and news coverage of incidents on the ground.”

(AP)

 

[thatrapsfan]

Military coup in Sudan. Feels like Sisi just made a move. Let’s see if the Sudanese people actually stand up or if they’ll be obedient as usual

Cmon man you are being jingoistic here. How are Sudanese people obedient? They've had more popular uprisings than any country in the region. In 1964, 1985, and 2019.

They're already on the streets now as well. That the military restored their power following the uprisings doesn't = obedience. Only underscores how difficult it is to have a transition into civilian rule when the military is your most powerful political actor.

 

[dtownreppin214]

Good interview. I don't think it went as the moderator expected.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Cmon man you are being jingoistic here. How are Sudanese people obedient? They've had more popular uprisings than any country in the region. In 1964, 1985, and 2019.

They're already on the streets now as well. That the military restored their power following the uprisings doesn't = obedience. Only underscores how difficult it is to have a transition into civilian rule when the military is your most powerful political actor.

Naw, I’m definitely talkin cash shyt with that comment I know. I guess that jab is from Sudan being so wishy washy between Ethiopia and Egypt over the dam. In truth, I really hope the people complete the revolution because as of this point it was pretty much put on pause.

Good interview. I don't think it went as the moderator expected.

lol, the jig is up. All of Woyanes cac allies aint enough to bury the truth.

 

[Max B]

@2Quik4UHoes

Tigrayan forces claim to capture new town of Kombolcha



it’s a wrap son i been telling y’all

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

This is a war being fought in the media. Most of what gets reported, on both sides, good or bad, is being done for appearance purposes. They are all trying to walk a tight rope. TPLFs primary diplomatic/political strategy (externally) to the west is portraying themselves as the underdogs/victims. But within the country to diaspora, they have to project strength/confidence. The problem is one contradicts the other, and puts the US/west in a difficult position bc although they prefer the TPLF, the US has to maintain some semblance of "neutrality." If you look at the official US responses to various developments, whereas in the past they placed 100% of blame on Ethiopian govt, they now include messaging condemning tplf for expanding war into Amhara etc. Ethiopia on other hand doesn't want to risk fallout from a brutal/all out war campaign - which can make them look weak internally and to diaspora. Even though it's obvious there is a real split in relations between Ethiopia and US govts, Ethiopia for instance still wants to remain in AGOA. At end of the day the US know that a return to the tplf dominated past is a nonstarter. Even the tplf knows that. Both they and the US are actually fighting for some new agreement granting them greater self autonomy. That way even if the US Ethiopia relationship is ruined and Ethiopia continues to drift to China, the US will still have a base of power/influence in the region.

 

[Unemployed GM]

Ethiopia needs to work that shyt out quickly. Got a bunch of neoliberal vultures with him. They will have Ethiopia looking like a combination of Somalia and Afghanistan.

 

[dtownreppin214]

Ethiopia needs to work that shyt out quickly. Got a bunch of neoliberal vultures with him. They will have Ethiopia looking like a combination of Somalia and Afghanistan.

Too late.

There's going to be a lot of bloodshed over the next few months.