Horn of Africa Regional Thread

[2Quik4UHoes]

Meles is far more insidious than Haile Mariam because at least the latter instituted and strengthened a national pan African ideology. And he also built the infrastructure on which the TPLF were able to liberalize effectively without mass privatization. They repackaged the Derg ideology as racist Tigray supremacy over the region as their British and Italian masters once promised them. Tigray people are great people and our family but their leadership has been some of the most horrific times in our entire history.
If the Somalis on this forum railing against Abiy spent 4 mns reading primary sources on the absolute mayhem unleashed by the TPLF including mass rapes etc that radicalized a generation, they wouldn’t be so predictably partisan.

if that’s what they did in a foreign country one need only to imagine the hellacious torture they instituted on every single group from the Christian Amhara to Muslim Harrari. Every single group in the region has a grievence against the ethnofascist regime.

I would think that any reasonable observation of any situation involving this many people would first take into account the voices of those people rather than crass geopolitical realism.

That’s what makes the situation so frustrating and lightweight creepy. It’s to the point that I’ve completely shunned the media. These a$$holes are the same ones from D.W. to Al Jazeera, that made documentaries and exposés about the TPLF just for them to turn around and become State Department News. There’s literally selective reporting and at times flat out misinformation. All this so they can turn around later and say “Oops, guess we were wrong….”

I can understand the partisan nature of Somalis. We barely even resolved shyt from the Ahmad Gragn days so suspicions will always be there. But it’s all too clear to me that all of our countries working separately will always been vulnerable to outside meddling. It’s literally the story of East Africa for the past several hundred years. My dream is for all of us to realize our common heritage and get rid of the divisive outsider elements. Even if that never happens, there at least has to be a realization of the prudence of supporting Ethiopia in this struggle since it’ll effect Somalia as well.

The so called free world is saying that the people of East Africa are not allowed to do anything except suffer under the fascism of the neocolonial poodle of choice. So far, the misinformation and overall lack of coverage is working in the West’s favor but once more groups start to see the very obvious geopolitical jostling going on right now they’ll quickly begin to turn on this cleverly crafted narrative that the TPLF and that slimy weasel Getachew Reda have designed.

I think no matter what happens I am absolutely done with this government in general. There needs to be a complete overhaul of this trash system in America because if it were concerned with people and not pissing contests with China we might not even have this situation going on.

 

[Broke Wave]

That’s what makes the situation so frustrating and lightweight creepy. It’s to the point that I’ve completely shunned the media. These a$$holes are the same ones from D.W. to Al Jazeera, that made documentaries and exposés about the TPLF just for them to turn around and become State Department News. There’s literally selective reporting and at times flat out misinformation. All this so they can turn around later and say “Oops, guess we were wrong….”

The so called free world is saying that the people of East Africa are not allowed to do anything except suffer under the fascism of the neocolonial poodle of choice. So far, the misinformation and overall lack of coverage is working in the West’s favor but once more groups start to see the very obvious geopolitical jostling going on right now they’ll quickly begin to turn on this cleverly crafted narrative that the TPLF and that slimy weasel Getachew Reda have designed.

I think no matter what happens I am absolutely done with this government in general. There needs to be a complete overhaul of this trash system in America because if it were concerned with people and not pissing contests with China we might not even have this situation going on.

In 1977 The Soviet Union put Mengitsu and Siad Barre and Fidel Castro in the same room.

Didn’t accomplish anything but at least they had a vested interest in the regions stability. The EU and US have not once in 50 years supported a single government or quasi government in the region outside of lip service besides the TPLF.

@Max B i support somaliland too walaalo but this is bigger than a passport and a UN seat not every issue in the region has to be seen in that lens but in that regard; do you think Somaliland would have been better off had they hitched their wagon to Abiy given the relative instability rn and in fighting between Habar Jecyl and Habar Yonis? Wouldn’t it have helped the national aspirations to join with Abiy as he offered to go to Hargeisa as the capital of Somaliland?

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

In 1977 The Soviet Union put Mengitsu and Siad Barre and Fidel Castro in the same room.

Didn’t accomplish anything but at least they had a vested interest in the regions stability. The EU and US have not once in 50 years supported a single government or quasi government in the region outside of lip service besides the TPLF.

@Max B i support somaliland too walaalo but this is bigger than a passport and a UN seat not every issue in the region has to be seen in that lens but in that regard; do you think Somaliland would have been better off had they hitched their wagon to Abiy given the relative instability rn and in fighting between Habar Jecyl and Habar Yonis? Wouldn’t it have helped the national aspirations to join with Abiy as he offered to go to Hargeisa as the capital of Somaliland?

They really believe that they can continue the same old strong arm tactics and it’ll be business as usual. As much as I’d prefer for us to collectively look to each other as the solution it’s dangerous for the West to basically push us into the arms of China geopolitically. They gon get scared as fukk if Djibouti and Eritrea get on the same page and join the Horn Initiative.

The evidence is everywhere. Before WWII the only stability was in the form of brutal colonization. Before that, we were split by geopolitics which took on a religious angle. And ever since WWII, the West has sought to keep the whole continent and in particular East Africa from ever developing itself and stabilizing. I can’t think of anything these parasites have done other than rob us blind and send back tiny morsels of our stolen wealth under the benevolent title of “aid”.

Biden is determined to have the worst foreign policy since Dubya. He just took the Afghan L, he’s going to add a massive L in East Africa, I mean shyt what’s next? An all out invasion of Venezuela and Cuba via Colombia and the Dominican Republic?

 

[Max B]

In 1977 The Soviet Union put Mengitsu and Siad Barre and Fidel Castro in the same room.

Didn’t accomplish anything but at least they had a vested interest in the regions stability. The EU and US have not once in 50 years supported a single government or quasi government in the region outside of lip service besides the TPLF.

@Max B i support somaliland too walaalo but this is bigger than a passport and a UN seat not every issue in the region has to be seen in that lens but in that regard; do you think Somaliland would have been better off had they hitched their wagon to Abiy given the relative instability rn and in fighting between Habar Jecyl and Habar Yonis? Wouldn’t it have helped the national aspirations to join with Abiy as he offered to go to Hargeisa as the capital of Somaliland?

Trust me it’s in the best interest of sland to have a stable Ethiopia bro due to the Berbera corridor since they will use the traffic for that port more so than Djibouti port right now.

 

[Broke Wave]

Trust me it’s in the best interest of sland to have a stable Ethiopia bro due to the Berbera corridor since they will use the traffic for that port more so than Djibouti port right now.

So why support the TPLF and their tactics which have destabilized the region more than any single actor?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

How were ethiopias borders drawn?

 

[FAH1223]

How were ethiopias borders drawn?

UK after WW2.

The British gave Haile Selassie the eastern part which is populated by Somalis. The reason for the 1977 war in which Siad Barre took advantage of a weakened state in Addis, claimed the territory with the Somali military and told the Soviets we ain’t listening to your pleas to stop adancing. The USSR and Cuba had their diplomats expelled from Mogadishu and then they fortified Mengistu in Ethiopiavabd eventually pushed the Somali army all the way back.

The Italians colonized Eritrea. After WW2 the Italian defeat had the British administered Eritrea and prepped it to be federal part of Ethiopia for a decade and then independent. Ethiopian empire annulled the Eritrean parliament at the time and folded the coastal area into the territory. Then the Eris fought a 30 year war of independence and had tactical support from Siad Barre in Somalia. Afwerki lived in Mogadishu for awhile.

 

[FAH1223]

@2Quik4UHoes @thatrapsfan

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

@2Quik4UHoes @thatrapsfan

The West is doing their absolute best to save the neocolonial Woyane scum. We don’t give a fukk about Biden, his trash administration, the UN and crying ass Gutierrez, none of those fukks we don’t care about em cuz they’ve touched a collective nerve and fukked with the pride of Ethiopians. Many within our region are beginning to open their eyes to the con game the West been running. It’s pretty funny how they’re attempting to characterize Ethiopia and Eritrea’s new relationship as criminal. It’s funny how articles have come out saying that those two alongside Somalia are threatening to destabilize the region because we have the nerve to actually work together for our own goals. As if African countries cannot cooperate without the benevolent all seeing white man. As if we’re far too savage and brutish to do better than the mouth breathing barely bathing cacs that have managed to destroy the planet and keep the majority in a state of suffering. These same thieves that steal our resources just to bring back crumbs of our shyt and sell it to us as “aid”.

Woyanes with no authorization or legal right launched Ethiopian missiles into Eritrea straight to Asmara but somehow it was a problem for Eritrea to defend itself and help eliminate a regional threat? These racist cacs really believe they finna scare us or something. We’ll become the new Syria or Libya before we let Woyane take the country back. It’s over. fukk the West and their bytchmade neocolonial poodles.

 

[mastermind]

 

[Frieza]

So why support the TPLF and their tactics which have destabilized the region more than any single actor?

Because they serve as a hedge against Abiy's potential autocratic desires. From the implementation of article 39 and ethnic federalism, the TPLF have a penchant for (theoretic) decentralized governance.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Smh I don’t even know if I want to watch this shyt. Amy n nem washed fr plus when she ever put on for Black reporters on her program?

 

[mastermind]

Smh I don’t even know if I want to watch this shyt. Amy n nem washed fr plus when she ever put on for Black reporters on her program?

She had shorty from CNN who did the story on the airplanes carrying weapons.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Because they serve as a hedge against Abiy's potential autocratic desires. From the implementation of article 39 and ethnic federalism, the TPLF have a penchant for (theoretic) decentralized governance.

So you talkin about “potential” autocratic desires vs the 27 years of fukkery Ethiopia and the region just went through? A very obvious neocolonial puppet for the West and this is supposed to be a good thing?

The decentralized model not only failed, it’s also created a much more toxic and less united society overall. You can have an equitable system within the centralized model as long as all groups are equally respected as citizens of the country. Not as members of a tribe.

She had shorty from CNN who did the story on the airplanes carrying weapons.

You mean that one Sudanese chick that she often uses as her source to the conflict? She ain’t get with no real journalists from Ethiopia as far as I know. She pretty much showed me who she is when she decided to parrot the same State Dept spoon fed bullshyt the rest of these networks is on.

 

[Frieza]

So you talkin about “potential” autocratic desires vs the 27 years of fukkery Ethiopia and the region just went through? A very obvious neocolonial puppet for the West and this is supposed to be a good thing?

The decentralized model not only failed, it’s also created a much more toxic and less united society overall. You can have an equitable system within the centralized model as long as all groups are equally respected as citizens of the country. Not as members of a tribe.

Potential was me being nice. The moment he disbanded the EPRDF and formalized the PP as a single political entity, he more or less chose to continue the TPLF's autocratic grip. It would be disingenuous to equate the recent election to any of Ethiopia's previous one-party elections, but there is only a marginal difference in outcome when Abiy walks away with 410 of the 421 seats available. Widespread electoral misconduct, allegations of repression, widespread ethnic tension, violent outbursts and somehow a single political party has managed to absolute dominate the political plain. Something magic about that 97 number.

Yes, the TPLF is a foreign-sponsored agent that turned Ethiopia in the largest American client state on the continent, but the political framework they established is good. As a Tigrayan minority they rightfully recognized Ethiopia as a multinational state. Ethnic federalism is not ideal, but was not manifested out of thin air. It was created to accustom Ethiopia's inherent demographic problem. It is (theoretically anyway) a bulwark against the outright tyranny of the masses. All groups should be respected as citizens, but we cannot ignore the cultural and linguistic differences as was done by previous centralized rule. A homogenized view of 'Ethiopian' is inherently problematic.

None of this means I think the TPLF is good by any definition, nor do I think Abiy is inherently bad. Still, decentralized vs centralized.