in 1976 there were over 1600 homicides in New York City. In 2023 there were 394 murders. Are we going to be logically consistent and give Hiphop credit for the decline in murders?
Honorable Dr. Umar: "Hip Hop hasnt done shyt for community in 50 years!!"
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in 1976 there were over 1600 homicides in New York City. In 2023 there were 394 murders. Are we going to be logically consistent and give Hiphop credit for the decline in murders?
Bet if someone knowledgeable start giving him isolated examples from individual artists, the goal posts would start moving same as they do for the reasons why that "school" ain't held even one digital course yet.
Space Cowboy
Allahu Akbar
But this is reality. The real world. While we call hip hop “the culture” hip hop only represented one slice of black culture. It’s beyond naive to expect a music genre to help an entire people regardless of what they say. At the end of the day it’s still music and these are still creators. Add in the human factor and everyone wanting something for themselves and we got we got today wit hip hop.
It’s an unfair expectation to even expect hip hop to save black people and that’s just facts regardless what people say about hip hop. Hip hop will not save you and expecting it to shows one of the many issues in wider black culture and that’s always expecting some kind of savior other than yourself and God.
So when Umar comes out saying “hip hop has done nothing for black people for 50 years” it’s like
What The fukk do you expect?You say I’m gaslighting but at the end of the day wanting hip hop to be a revolution to change black people was always youthful naïveté. Once those ninjas were making money in the 80’s and 90’s it became about making money and art expression first.
At the end of the day no matter what they say why the fukk is hip hop tasked with saving black folks? Serious question. Do you see how fukking dumb that it is?
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BmoreGorilla
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I feel like it’s the other way around. Hip hop is holding up a mirror to the black community
Space Cowboy
Allahu Akbar
I’m completely aware of the elements and the message and the founders and I’m down with the cause but ultimately it’s a music genre at its core and why in the world would I want to put my fate on a music genre? It’s like, yeah hip hop hasn’t done the best to help the community but maybe putting all your hopes and putting all these expectations on a music genre is utterly unrealistic and it would always sizzle out, due to the nature of humanity. Hip hop in the 70’s and 80’s was flash in the pan and it stopped being Afrocentric consciousness in the wider mainstream a decade later.
It’s just naive as shyt.
Space Cowboy
Allahu Akbar
This right here.
Hip hop figures like Nas made gangsta alter egos while also trying to position themselves as fighting for the culture. It’s like…pick one? It’s just hard to take the genre seriously regardless of the founders, the message, or the elements.
RickyDiBiase
The Sword of Jesus of Nazareth
These podcasts literally profile and platform scammers and other anti-black c00ns and sellouts are worse
Devil Plisken…CMS
Veteran
And in that regard hip hop has done a lot for the black community albeit in previous generations. There was a lot of social activism in hip hop in the late 80's and early 90's. I think the point though is why are you asking what an artform has done for the black community? Why not what our community leaders and professionals have done? You know, people that actually signed up for that type of stuff. This is just another case of black people looking to other black people who happen to have fame/money to save us.
In The Zone '98
Superstar
These arguments are not important
Have to speak on policies politics politicians
Umar is going to distract until death to avoid he couldn't get the school done
Have to speak on policies politics politicians
Umar is going to distract until death to avoid he couldn't get the school done
RickyDiBiase
The Sword of Jesus of Nazareth
Breh. Thank you.
Message
what millions of jobs?
95% of the executives, live nation, management, entertainment lawyers, ticketmaster, label owners etc are Jews
JasoRockStar
Superstar
If you let music have a bigger influence on your kids than you as a parent, then you shouldn't have had kids. Millions of people listen to hiphop every day and don't commit crimes so it sounds like a skill issue on the part of the parents to me. Sounds just like cacs when they blame video games for when their kids shoot up schools. Take accountability and stop with the excuses. 
But the fact that black people let a scammer tell you what's been detrimental to the black community as if charlatans and false prophets haven't been setting the community back for decades is hilarious. The irony is crazy. The fact that black people put any stock into what this man says is just sad.
But the fact that black people let a scammer tell you what's been detrimental to the black community as if charlatans and false prophets haven't been setting the community back for decades is hilarious. The irony is crazy. The fact that black people put any stock into what this man says is just sad.
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But, but, but hip-hop has done nothing for the community...
Snoop has done more damage to the black community with this his "bytches aint shyt" and "crip" rhetoric that he promoted in his music for 30+years.