Hold up man. Grown ass people seriously think they go to heaven? Really now?

[Ain't That Something]

Ok, but it seems like you're agreeing with me then, since you're saying that the ultimate source is subjective experience, which by definition is not logical and an individual matter.

The experience is not subjective but rather unique to the individuals experiencing it. And agree or disagree I'm saying a unique experience does not make it illogical.

 

[Ain't That Something]

You just responded to a legitimate critique of a flawed assertion by just repeating that flawed assertion. "Spiritual experiences" are completely subjective. People of all different faiths and beliefs have spiritual experiences. The existence of a spiritual experience as deemed by an individual does not validate the specific claims of any particular religion. It just means someone had a subjective experience and attributed to some supernatural force. You, a Buddhist monk, and a schizophrenic heroin addict could all have individual spiritual experiences, but that isn't any objective proof or evidence of any of each of your respective religious claims.

The experience is not subjective but rather unique to the individuals experiencing it. fukk whether you agree or not I'm saying a unique experience does not make it illogical.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

The experience is not subjective but rather unique to the individuals experiencing it.

Please look up the definition of the word subjective.

 

[Ain't That Something]

Please look up the definition of the word subjective.

Subjective: based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.

Unique:
used to say that something or someone is unlike anything or anyone else

: very special or unusual

: belonging to or connected with only one particular thing, place, or person

Now I'm gone make it easier for you. Most religious spiritual experiences tell you to deny your human nature which comes in direct conflict with
(Subjective: based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions)

 

[BlvdBrawler]

It's actually not a dumb question... Prove there's no afterlife

You can't prove a grand architect doesn't exist.

Maybe heaven and God as described in the bible... but life after death and a supreme creator? Nah

Are you serious, breh?

 

[Chesirecatdaddy]

Are you serious, breh?

Like testicular cancer breh

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Subjective: based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.

Unique:
used to say that something or someone is unlike anything or anyone else

: very special or unusual

: belonging to or connected with only one particular thing, place, or person

Somebody's spiritual experience is subjective because it's that individual's interpretation of a state of being they were in. If their personal interpretation is that Jesus or Zeus or Gaia or Klingons or whatever have you was the causative agent at play, that is not something that can be empirically supported by any standard outside of that person's thought process. You using the adjective "unique" only reinforces the fact that it's subjective.

 

[BlvdBrawler]

Like testicular cancer breh

Dat's pretty serious.

 

[Ain't That Something]

Somebody's spiritual experience is subjective because it's that individual's interpretation of a state of being they were in. If their personal interpretation is that Jesus or Zeus or Gaia or Klingons or whatever have you was the causative agent at play, that is not something that can be empirically supported by any standard outside of that person's thought process. You using the adjective "unique" only reinforces the fact that it's subjective.

Damn How can I dumb it down simplify it for you more.

the uniqueness of the experience does not make it illogical, once you get pass your arrogant notion that your simple minded mind can understand and define the existance of a higher power..... nah fukk it There is a heaven and you going st8 to hell fire

 

[Soundwave]

Why is this stickied?

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Damn How can I dumb it down simplify it for you more.

the uniqueness of the experience does not make it illogical, once you get pass your arrogant notion that your simple minded mind can understand and define the existance of a higher power..... nah fukk it There is a heaven and you going st8 to hell fire

If you dumbed yourself down any more, you would be wearing a leather football helmet making unintellible groans and drooling into a cup while haphazardly mashing keys on your computer like a kitten chasing hot wheels cars.

Try to follow along. This really isn't rocket science. You started by saying your supposed proof of Heaven lied within one's spiritual experience, and said experience was the only way to ascertain this supposed proof of Heaven. Somebody having what they perceive to be a spiritual experience is a phenomenon wholly unique to and bound by the confines of that person's mind and sensory perception. The existence of this subjective interpretation of a spiritual experience, and the cause they come up with for it cannot be empirically gauged, and thus fails to meet any standard of formal, informal, or mathematical logic whatsoever.

The fact that the perception of a spiritual experience exists is not evidence that that spiritual experience is the result of the intervention of the Christian God (or Allah, or Vishnu or whoever). In fact, spiritual experiences of various faiths have been synthesized in controlled lab experiments using brain stimulation and chemical triggers.

So somebody saying they had a spiritual experience and it was caused by ______ is a statement purely predicated upon FAITH , not logic. If you want to rely on faith, nobody's stopping you. But you will fail every time you pretend it's anything more than that

 

[Ain't That Something]

If you dumbed yourself down any more, you would be wearing a leather football helmet making unintellible groans and drooling into a cup while haphazardly mashing keys on your computer like a kitten chasing hot wheels cars.

Try to follow along. This really isn't rocket science. You started by saying your supposed proof of Heaven lied within one's spiritual experience, and said experience was the only way to ascertain this supposed proof of Heaven. Somebody having what they perceive to be a spiritual experience is a phenomenon wholly unique to and bound by the confines of that person's mind and sensory perception. The existence of this subjective interpretation of a spiritual experience, and the cause they come up with for it cannot be empirically gauged, and thus fails to meet any standard of formal, informal, or mathematical logic whatsoever.

The fact that the perception of a spiritual experience exists is not evidence that that spiritual experience is the result of the intervention of the Christian God (or Allah, or Vishnu or whoever). In fact, spiritual experiences of various faiths have been synthesized in controlled lab experiments using brain stimulation and chemical triggers.

So somebody saying they had a spiritual experience and it was caused by ______ is a statement purely predicated upon FAITH , not logic. If you want to rely on faith, nobody's stopping you. But you will fail every time you pretend it's anything more than that

breh let it go. Hell fire is awaiting you no amount of empirical evidence or not will change that

 

[OG_StankBrefs]

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

breh let it go. Hell fire is awaiting you no amount of empirical evidence or not will change that

Fear/reward behavioral conditioning is for 5 year olds. So is believing magic and superstition.

 

[the cac mamba]

Let them have it, breh; it's not hurting anybody.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friend...her-father-in-heaven-girl-12-commits-suicide/
and the answer is yes the fukk it is