Hold up man. Grown ass people seriously think they go to heaven? Really now?

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That's the thing, though- "perfection" and "cohesiveness" are myths. The only way you can have that view of nature is if you ignore the vast majority of unruliness, chaos, destruction, etc. That holds true as much of the human body as of the universe as a whole. These temporary oases of order and stability are miniscule and fleeting. Most of the universe can't support life. Even on our planet, 99.9% of all the life that existed went extinct. That doesn't seem like perfection, order, or cohesiveness to me. As for the chances of this fleeting, imperfect "order" existing being low, that doesn't imply design, any more than you winning the lottery implies that someone rigged it for you to win. Low odds things happen all the time without design involved.
I'm going to try to find those odds for you and post it here sometime today to show you just how low. There are 17-50 billion estimated planets similar to ours that have the possibility of maybe just maybe supporting human life breh and 50 sextillion in the universe . Yet out of 17-50 billion we are the only ones at this point and that's just in our galaxy... just this galaxy breh. Those are just a small part of the odds.
 

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I'm going to try to find those odds for you and post it here sometime today to show you just how low. There are 17-50 billion estimated planets similar to ours that have the possibility of maybe just maybe supporting human life breh and 50 sextillion in the universe . Yet out of 17-50 billion we are the only ones at this point and that's just in our galaxy... just this galaxy breh. Those are just a small part of the odds.

again, just because there are more planets doesn't mean that our lives are any more unique.

Then again, i don't think you understand how life works at the chemistry level so...:ufdup:
 

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again, just because there are more planets doesn't mean that our lives are any more unique.

Then again, i don't think you understand how life works at the chemistry level so...:ufdup:

It doesn't mean anything at this point. We are still trying to figure out just how unique we are with the Goldilocks zone hypothesis. Both of you speaking so authoritatively on stuff you do not know.
 

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think?

I'm not making shyt up.

You are.

Thats the problem.
Yes think .. in reference to me not knowing "how life works at the chemistry level"
and me not knowing about evolution .. maybe you don't know about Louis Pasteur breh.

Sorry I'm not making shyt up any more than you are since you can't disprove any of what I'm saying. I made up the fact that are an approximate 17-50 million habitable planets in our galaxy alone? I think not.
 

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I think you meant qualify, not quantify. But anyway, you don't seem to understand what logic is, and the assertion you're making is not grounded in logic, so you shouldn't invoke logic if you're going to completely disregard it. There is no my logic, there is only logic.

You are using a textbook example of an argument from ignorance logical fallacy. The existence of Heaven is unfalsifiable, just as if I told you there's an invisible intangible unicorn hovering over your head right now, that is unfalsifiable. The burden of proof Iis on the person making the claim. If we deviate from that basic tenet, society as we know it would collapse. You couldn't have a legal system if a murderer just says demons made him do it and we consider that equally as would that demons didn't make him do it.

We are human beings who try to explore, interpret, and understand our world better through the use of reason of evidence. Intelligent people who try to have an honest discourse do not make a logically fallacious argument then say shut the fukk and post a smiley when the clear flaw in their reasoning is pointed out. Just keep it real and admit, you're a thinker, you're not interested in exploring these cosmological questions, and you're so threatened and fearful of inquiry that might lead to your silly dogmatic superstitious beliefs being called into question that your only recourse is to respond with insults in lieu of a counterargument.



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Yes, but those experiences are subjective. You can't prove them to other people using logic. If some homeless dude came up to you tomorrow and told you Jesus appeared to him in a vision and declared him a new teacher of humanity and that you had to kneel to and follow him, would you believe him? What if he showed you a book with words that backed up his claims, and he told you that Jesus revealed the book to him?



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If you dumbed yourself down any more, you would be wearing a leather football helmet making unintellible groans and drooling into a cup while haphazardly mashing keys on your computer like a kitten chasing hot wheels cars.

Try to follow along. This really isn't rocket science. You started by saying your supposed proof of Heaven lied within one's spiritual experience, and said experience was the only way to ascertain this supposed proof of Heaven. Somebody having what they perceive to be a spiritual experience is a phenomenon wholly unique to and bound by the confines of that person's mind and sensory perception. The existence of this subjective interpretation of a spiritual experience, and the cause they come up with for it cannot be empirically gauged, and thus fails to meet any standard of formal, informal, or mathematical logic whatsoever.

The fact that the perception of a spiritual experience exists is not evidence that that spiritual experience is the result of the intervention of the Christian God (or Allah, or Vishnu or whoever). In fact, spiritual experiences of various faiths have been synthesized in controlled lab experiments using brain stimulation and chemical triggers.

So somebody saying they had a spiritual experience and it was caused by ______ is a statement purely predicated upon FAITH , not logic. If you want to rely on faith, nobody's stopping you. But you will fail every time you pretend it's anything more than that



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Fear/reward behavioral conditioning is for 5 year olds. So is believing magic and superstition.



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Suicide is a one way ticket to hell. Suicide is the only thing that guarantees you will go to Hell.
I Wonder If God Takes Into Account Seriously Disturbed People With Mental Illnesses Who Kill Themselves, Like Do They Get A Pass? lol
The bible says you are not guilty of that which you do not know


What about people who didn't know that overriding their God-Given logical reasoning with blind faith (that for all intents & purposes, appears MAN MADE) would land them in Hell? :troll: :youngsabo: Wait a minute...so WHO'S making the rules & clarifying God's "word" here? :troll::youngsabo:



That's the thing, though- "perfection" and "cohesiveness" are myths. The only way you can have that view of nature is if you ignore the vast majority of unruliness, chaos, destruction, etc. That holds true as much of the human body as of the universe as a whole. These temporary oases of order and stability are miniscule and fleeting. Most of the universe can't support life. Even on our planet, 99.9% of all the life that has ever existed on it went extinct. That doesn't seem like perfection, order, or cohesiveness to me. As for the chances of this fleeting, imperfect "order" existing being low, that doesn't imply design, any more than you winning the lottery implies that someone rigged it for you to win. Low odds things happen all the time without design involved.



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It doesn't mean anything at this point. We are still trying to figure out just how unique we are with the Goldilocks zone hypothesis. Both of you speaking so authoritatively on stuff you do not know.




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I thoroughly enjoyed reading through this thread. Keep it up brehs. Having a brain that functions properly is one of the hardest things to do in today's day & age. :salute:
 

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I laugh when I read shyt like Heaven is like a 24/7 church where you just sit and worship God all day.

I'm like why the fukk would I want to go there then? Send my ass to Hell. :pachaha:
Its actually a mega-church in Omaha :bryan:theyve got top notch facilities, an olympic size swimming pool, 70 inch flatscreen.... karoake nights on the weekend :ehh:
 

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i was trying to think of a witty sarcastic remark to make about how God, for some arbitrary reason decides some people are born into disease and starvation while others are born into wealth and prosperity. It really doesn't make any sense how you could justify worshiping an entity who is such a biased jerk. I know someone is gonna come in here and say 'well the lord works in mysterious ways' but nahhh i cant roll with that logic here.

Religious folks, be honest, you dont really think about the logic or reasoning of your religion for any significant amount of time do you? too you religion is just something for you to do on a sunday morning.
 
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