historicity of jesus

[intilectual recipricol]

The overwhelming majority of experts on antiquity believe that Jesus existed. There is plenty of evidence outside the bible that they point to as evidence.

Okay, then lets see some. Its as simple as that.

@intilectual recipricol So what's the alternative explaination of why/how this Christian movement started? When did it start historically? Why were these former Jewish people willing to die for this man that did not exist?

I dont know man... how did we get all these Mormons? Did Joseph Smith really find some gold plates? How did Hinduism start? Is there really some multi-armed woman runnin around? How did Judaism start? Is there really a nicca named yahweh in the clouds that made a woman out of a rib, and created the entire universe, but cant beat a damn iron chariot? People used to get tossed in volcanos and shyt to appease the gods, why would they give their life if it wasnt real? A nicca killed Biggie over Pac, is that not evidence that Pac is the son of God and born of a virgin?

So u want proof from 2040 years ago?

we have evidence of King Tut... we have evidence of Pontius Pilate. We dont have evidence of Jesus. We have an unbelievably low amount of writings considering all the crazy wil shyt that son was doing in front of thousands of people (according to legend)... of course none of this shyt was captured except in a book of fables. Corpses coming out of graves and dancing in the streets during the resurrection.......didnt make the history books, guess they werent that impressed.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

You can't see and hear morals?

No, you can't.​

 

[Hip-Hop-Bulls]

No, you can't.​

ok.

peace

 

[intilectual recipricol]

the question is how far do we have to get from the accepted story before that person is no longer "Jesus"? in another thread I brought up that his story could be the story of more than one person, and cats were like "that doesn't matter, he still existed". but in that example "he" did not exist because "he" is more than one person

this is obviously a subject that people have some emotional attachment to. but I'm not sure how we could know much about such an individual that lived so long ago. if the circumstances are that there's little evidence, and/or all the lines of evidence aren't direct, then so be it. IMO the problem seems to be that people feel the need to lower the bar, and give this kind of inference a 'pass', based on an appeal to general acceptance. and that goes very 'deep', as many members of our society obviously have a lot of baggage wrapped up in the idea that Jesus did exist

Hell, the bible talks about A DIFFERENT NICCA, "Jesus the Son of the Father" that was also crucified of course in later translations they changed the niccaz name in order to mislead people and muddle the apparent flimsiness of the story.

I can't find it now but I saw a video with a non religious historian who basically said if you claim jesus didn't exist then you'd have to remove plenty of other people from the history books as well. Evidence of any person or place from that time is scarce and full of holes.

This is supposed to be "higher learning" and we are supposed to respect the scientific or intellectual community, so why do we choose this issue to disagree with?

It's a consensus, just like the Big Bang, jesus did exist. Two events in particular are almost universally agreed on, his baptism and his crucifixion. Everything else is up for debate.

its just poor apologetics. Who are the people? Napoleon? Caesar? George Washington?

the big bang theory is called a theory for a reason

the word theory in science doesnt discredit the findings. The Big Bang is accepted as fact. theory

 

[Mr swag]

Okay, then lets see some. Its as simple as that.



I dont know man... how did we get all these Mormons? Did Joseph Smith really find some gold plates? How did Hinduism start? Is there really some multi-armed woman runnin around? How did Judaism start? Is there really a nicca named yahweh in the clouds that made a woman out of a rib, and created the entire universe, but cant beat a damn iron chariot? People used to get tossed in volcanos and shyt to appease the gods, why would they give their life if it wasnt real? A nicca killed Biggie over Pac, is that not evidence that Pac is the son of God and born of a virgin?



we have evidence of King Tut... we have evidence of Pontius Pilate. We dont have evidence of Jesus. We have an unbelievably low amount of writings considering all the crazy wil shyt that son was doing in front of thousands of people (according to legend)... of course none of this shyt was captured except in a book of fables. Corpses coming out of graves and dancing in the streets during the resurrection.......didnt make the history books, guess they werent that impressed.

he brought one person back to life but wasn't buried in the ground

 

[Chris Mauro]

he brought one person back to life but wasn't buried in the ground

He raised Jairus' daughter (Matt.9:23, Mark 5:22, Luke 8:41), A widow's son (Luke 7:11), and Lazarus (John 11:38).

 

[valet]

Okay, then lets see some. Its as simple as that.



I dont know man... how did we get all these Mormons? Did Joseph Smith really find some gold plates? How did Hinduism start? Is there really some multi-armed woman runnin around? How did Judaism start? Is there really a nicca named yahweh in the clouds that made a woman out of a rib, and created the entire universe, but cant beat a damn iron chariot? People used to get tossed in volcanos and shyt to appease the gods, why would they give their life if it wasnt real? A nicca killed Biggie over Pac, is that not evidence that Pac is the son of God and born of a virgin?



we have evidence of King Tut... we have evidence of Pontius Pilate. We dont have evidence of Jesus. We have an unbelievably low amount of writings considering all the crazy wil shyt that son was doing in front of thousands of people (according to legend)... of course none of this shyt was captured except in a book of fables. Corpses coming out of graves and dancing in the streets during the resurrection.......didnt make the history books, guess they werent that impressed.

I'm still interested to hear your alternative explanation of when this religion begin? Since Jesus didnt exist when did this story begin? Did it start in the 1st century as some claim? Or does no one can verify it?

 

[daze23]

I dont know man... how did we get all these Mormons? Did Joseph Smith really find some gold plates? How did Hinduism start? Is there really some multi-armed woman runnin around? How did Judaism start? Is there really a nicca named yahweh in the clouds that made a woman out of a rib, and created the entire universe, but cant beat a damn iron chariot? People used to get tossed in volcanos and shyt to appease the gods, why would they give their life if it wasnt real? A nicca killed Biggie over Pac, is that not evidence that Pac is the son of God and born of a virgin?

yep, and a lot of modern peeps will concede that obviously dude didn't walk on water, turn water into wine, rise from the dead, etc. but then what are you left with?

 

[intilectual recipricol]

he brought one person back to life but wasn't buried in the ground

You need to study your Word more like us atheists...

Matthew 27:50-53
New International Version (NIV)
50 And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.

51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and[a] went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

Nobody bothered to write this shiit down outside of the fable book... guess it was common place back then

yep, and a lot of modern peeps will concede that obviously dude didn't walk on water, turn water into wine, rise from the dead, etc. but then what are you left with?

exactly, like the James Harden and Kris Humphries commercial... youre left with "a guy, a cool guy" who would be indistinguishable from any other lunatic walking around. his name coulda been Mike for all we know.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

I'm still interested to hear your alternative explanation of when this religion begin? Since Jesus didnt exist when did this story begin? Did it start in the 1st century as some claim? Or does no one can verify it?

I'm not going to do your research, but just know that Jews are still waiting on the person that fulfills their "prophecies" even though the guy Christians think did, died and said he'd be back before anyone of his disciples tasted death...meanwhile 2000+ years later IR is on the-coli.com starting threads about how the nicca not only didnt come back before those niccaz tasted death, but ol buddy likely didnt even exist.

list of people claiming to be the Jewish Messiah

People been doin shyt the myth of Jesus is said to have done... still happenin today.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

yep, and a lot of modern peeps will concede that obviously dude didn't walk on water, turn water into wine, rise from the dead, etc. but then what are you left with?

Another crazy fukk who people thought was a prophet. A cult leader.

 

[Mr swag]

 

[valet]

I'm not going to do your research, but just know that Jews are still waiting on the person that fulfills their "prophecies" even though the guy Christians think did, died and said he'd be back before anyone of his disciples tasted death...meanwhile 2000+ years later IR is on the-coli.com starting threads about how the nicca not only didnt come back before those niccaz tasted death, but ol buddy likely didnt even exist.

list of people claiming to be the Jewish Messiah

People been doin shyt the myth of Jesus is said to have done... still happenin today.

Well, to use your words, I'm not going to do your research for you. But it's clear what he meant about some of them not tasting death before seeing the kingdom if you continue to read.

Sure, the Jews are still waiting for Messiah. And there were many who claimed to be it. I've talked to rabbis at the Hillel group at my college and none denied Jesus existed though.

But as far as my question, the research I have done shows that "myth" started in the 1st century. I have never read anything to contradict that. Whether Jesus existed or not, I think it's good to see where it began since we're talking about the history of Jesus. Pliny the Younger showed that this movement was around in the 1st century.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Okay, then lets see some. Its as simple as that.

"Jesus accordingly exhibited after His death only the appearance of wounds received on the cross, and was not in reality so wounded as He is described to have been."

"Jesus gathered around him ten or eleven persons of notorious character... tax-collectors, sailors, and fishermen... [He was] deserted and delivered up by those who had been his associates, who had him for their teacher, and who believed he was the savior and son of the greatest God... Those who were his associates while alive, who listened to his voice, and enjoyed his instructions as their teacher, on seeing him subjected to punishment and death, neither died with nor for him... but denied that they were even his disciples, lest they die along with Him."

"Jesus, on account of his poverty, was hired out to go to Egypt. While there he acquired certain [magical] powers... He returned home highly elated at possessing these powers, and on the strength of them gave himself out to be a god... It was by means of sorcery that He was able to accomplish the wonders which He performed... Let us believe that these cures, or the resurrection, or the feeding of a multitude with a few loaves... These are nothing more than the tricks of jugglers... It is by the names of certain demons, and by the use of incantations, that the Christians appear to be possessed of [miraculous] power..."

~Contra Celsus (Origen's Answers to Celsus) 178 AD

Dude is giving alternate theories rather than dismissing the whole thing as a myth.​

 

[Chris Mauro]

You need to study your Word more like us atheists...

Matthew 27:50-53
New International Version (NIV)
50 And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.

51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and[a] went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

Nobody bothered to write this shiit down outside of the fable book... guess it was common place back then



exactly, like the James Harden and Kris Humphries commercial... youre left with "a guy, a cool guy" who would be indistinguishable from any other lunatic walking around. his name coulda been Mike for all we know.

Yea, you'd think that something like dozens of dead bodies rising would atleast be documented somewhere. That's some crazy night of the living dead sh1t.










yet no one wrote it down, outside of the historical comic book



Not one historian


No Jerusalem Ann Frank no nothing....