Hip Hop was the 1st time in America where stereotypes of Blackfolks were self inflicted

[Juneya]

Just stop. I can respect your passion for black folks but the smart dumbness in your logic is way too much. this shyt is why "hoteps" have a bad name

You're a weirdo bro I'm gonna let you cook

Exactly. You just brainwashed by self hate and i pointed it out. Nothing ignorant about rap or anything i said. It was all well researched.

Only ignorant thing on this site is the lame ass black people that log in and hate on the culture because white people told them too. You dont know any better, that is why you hate yourself

 

[Silver Surfer]

Exactly. You just brainwashed by self hate and i pointed it out. Nothing ignorant about rap or anything i said. It was all well researched.

Only ignorant thing on this site is the lame ass black people that log in and hate on the culture because white people told them too. You dont know any better, that is why you hate yourself

So you dont a problem with the c00ning and reinforced stereotypes of hip hop?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

This is the umpteenth time U destroyed ya argument with ya own evidence

The article u posted states;

The angry Black man image was prominant in NYC newspaper publications

NYC publications are not Black owned...here we go again


Blaxploitation films were not intended to promote stereotypes




Black actors and directors intended to reverse the roles African Americans played in cinema




You just going in circles again because I already pointed out from that Docu clip u posted that Blaxploitation wasn't intended to create stereotypes it jus turned out that way.....U then posted an article that confirmed this....LOL

That's epitome of self inflicted stereotypes


you still playing dense?

Just by the article u posted and the docu..U cant say the the intentions were there like with NWA. Dr Dre said staright up they wanted to make records like Richard Pryor. That right there is going in with bad intentions compared to Blaxploitation. The song "Gangsta Gangsta" is a song about Cube having a shotgun and looking for shyt to start with rivals.....Thats from their first album. Yet u compare that to Blaxploitation tha didnt intend on pushing stererotypes?


I hate how I respond to everything yet u duck when I point things out to you...This is the 3rd time You've ducked shyt and its standing out..Meanwhile U kept saying I'm slithering yet have responded to everything U have thrown in my direction

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[jackson35]

so priest telling his partner that he is away from their profitable partnership is warping our minds???priest telling corrupt cop that he is not interested in selling dope for him anymore is leading us to slavery and a stereotype?

 

[Wild self]

Nope. U R Wrong.

I could give a damn what white people think about how Black folks express themsleves.

U obviously aren't paying attention. I already pointed this out but I'll repeat it for you. We saw hip Hop have a Conscious movement that was beautiful. Public Enemy, BDP, Rakim, Kane, Brand Nubians, X Clan, Poor Righteous Teachers, Ice Cube, Ice T, Arrested Development, A Tribe Called Quest. These entities had us still believing in a possible "Black revolution." Gangsta Rap takes over in 1993 and Hip Hop does a 180. Hip Hop was now stuck in the hood. No more revolution just hood mannerisms and being ghetto fabulous. Common pointed this out on the classic song "I Used To Love HER" in 1994 because of what he witnessed in 1993. 20 + years later its the same story..Hip Hop on a mainstream level is still in the hood being ghetto fabulous, no revolution. Proof: Drake vs Meek Mills was bigger in 2015 then The 20 Year anniversary of The Million Man march. So when I go among the community(Not outside the community like a true uncle Tom would) and I point this out....I get backlash and name called. Thats Wrong. I'm destroying to rebuild. Gotta point out the sickness in order to get to the cure. Thats the main thing I posted in the OP, how do we reverse the damage? I'm not just finger pointing..I'm addressing a problem and trying to figure out a solution to the problem.

 

[smokeurobinson]

That's epitome of self inflicted stereotypes


you still playing dense?

I dont believe you because your own words contradict each other. . First u were stressing that Minstrel Shows were the beginnings of Self inflicted Stereotypes. When I pointed out that these minstrel shows were Blacks performed for Black audiences they "had to wear Blackface" I then ask u who made such a rule..whites or Blacks? We both knew the answer but u never answered.


Now u wanna jump over never answering that question to saying that when Superfly came out it made those cross/coke sniffing things popular and helped push the inner city into drug usage. And being that the likes of people like Superfly and Pam Grier not knowing they were doing things that would warrant stereotypical images in the 70's is the epitome of Self infliction.


Well since we were talking about 1993 being the year gangster rap took over in Hip Hop ....lets take a look at one most popular gangster rap albums that walked us into 1993

Now u say Blaxploitation movies didnt have no intentions of leaving stereotypes yet that is the epitome of self infliction.....But what about when Hip Hop "intentionally" gives a soundtrack for music to murder Black men to while doing a drive by??






I would have to disagree with u sir because when the infliction is "intentional"...That my friend is the "epitome" of self infliction.









(I also didnt forget how u slithered from that Bert Willaims question but I digress )

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Here u go again with these articles about Hollywood platforms with "ulterior motives" to pimp the Black experience and u trying to compare it to Hip Hop were gangbanging rappers dance on their enemy's graves and post it on youtube for free.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

pre-hiphop

 

[Wild self]

What is an ignorant rap song?
Explain that to me. Explain to me what makes it ignorant.

Real talk a lot of you have an unhealthy hatred for yourself and your culture.

Ignant rap is a song just glorifying the horrors of doing evils like selling drugs to your fellow black man/woman/child, embracing anti intellectualism, and materialism to spend money to non blacks and never talk about the negative consequences of it. Some cats like Hov, Scarface, Wu Tang, Nas, etc, give you the good and the BAD of doing dirt in story telling rhymes.

Plus, black culture is more than just struggle. I'm talking about the overcoming of mental setbacks and overcoming oppression. The "black power" movements and back to Africa movements. The African medallions. Knowledge of self. Codes and principles of a healthy lifestyle. Stuff that can make black people into better human beings outside of quick financial gain. Personal development.

That selling Crack and being jail birds is a very, very small portion of being black. Go watch Hidden Colors 1 to 4 and see how deep black history goes.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I dont believe you because your own words contradict each other. . First u were stressing that Misntrel Shows were the beginnings of Self inflicteds Stereotypes. When I pointed out that these minstrel shows that Blacks did to Black audiences were they "had to wear Blackface" I then ask u who made such a rule..whites or Blacks? We both knew the answer but u never answered.

stop it..these are the facts

1) white people had stereotypes on "black" people since and before slavery times

2) minstrel era was the first time black people willingly self inflicted/validated these stereotypes by acting them out on stage

3) since that time numerous acts/musicians/writers etc..have added to and validated these various stereotypes through self infliction through ragtime->Blues->jazz etc...then to Blaxploitation, 20-100 years before any type of Gangsta Rap was made. THESE ARE FACTS!!!

now read....

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Last summer i met this white french chick while she was taking pics on the Williamsburg bridge. As we were walking i asked her what it's like in Paris and she said "you'll like it, the girls like the whole gangsta gangsta thing"while giggling, i didn't think much about it at first but now i'm like she thinks i'm into gangsta rap because i'm black.

nikkas can sit up here and say "they'll hate us anyway" but this hip hop shyt has really tarnished our look worldwide, even other blacks think low of black people because of rap.

there are 2 sides to that same coin and "blacks" worldwide were thought lowly of by other's way before hiphop came along and and you can even argue before there was even a such thing as a "new world black"

 

[smokeurobinson]

so priest telling his partner that he is away from their profitable partnership is warping our minds???priest telling corrupt cop that he is not interested in selling dope for him anymore is leading us to slavery and a stereotype?

Thank you


Fools actually wanna compare the impressions left by Blaxploitation to impressions left by Hip Hop. Hip Hop is always going to outdo Blaxploitation in the "self infliction" department, especially now with social media.



Priest wants to leave the game...Thats a good thing



But Lil Jo Jo gets killed and Chief Keef makes a hit song mocking his death and Hip Hop loves it.....Thats borderline evil.

 

[Wild self]

Thank you


Fools actually wanna compare the impressions left by Blaxploitation to impressions left by Hip Hop. Hip Hop is always going to outdo Blaxploitation in the "self infliction" department, especially now with social media.



Priest wants to leave the game...Thats a good thing



But Lil Jo Jo gets killed and Chief Keef makes a hit song mocking his death and Hip Hop loves it.....Thats borderline evil.

That shyt is evil.

 

[Wild self]

Hip Hop was about fun and friendly battles between crews and emcees w/o the talk of violence or homicide as these sensitive lil negras are. We had P.E. X Clan, Poor Righteous Teachers, Native Tongues, and etc, who made us proud of who were are, rocking black medallions, even had us picking up bibles and korans, and studying 120 lessons to better ourselves... Cacs was like ... and that scared them... seeing Unity, and strength in numbers..

We went from being black and proud, to proud of being the nikkas that the cac created in the first place.

That made many record execs lose sleep at night in the late 80s. Imagine black folk abandoning dysfunctional behaviors and embrace being dignified and disciplined like Malcolm X?

 

[smokeurobinson]

stop it..these are the facts

2) minstrel era was the first time black people willingly self inflicted/validated these stereotypes by acting them out on stage

I already stated that this is where u and I disagree. again u never answered who made the rule about Blacks having to wear Blackface in front of a Black audience? u still haven't answered. U know why because its the same reason why u never answered the question as to where was the Ice Cube cave bytch song shytting on white women or the Ice t Cop Killer song during the Minstrel show era? Or The Public Enemy songs about oppression?? There was none. and why was that? Because white platforms dictated the rules during the Minstrel Show era thats why u look foolish comparing it to Hip Hop. Your own article stated that the rules were that Blacks had to perform in front of Blacks in blackface. Thats what your article stated. Thats white controlled shyt and u comparing that to a Black artform that was made in the hood for the hood.



also.Gotham-Attuckswas some white people shyt.

 

[Juneya]

Ignant rap is a song just glorifying the horrors of doing evils like selling drugs to your fellow black man/woman/child, embracing anti intellectualism, and materialism to spend money to non blacks and never talk about the negative consequences of it. Some cats like Hov, Scarface, Wu Tang, Nas, etc, give you the good and the BAD of doing dirt in story telling rhymes.

Plus, black culture is more than just struggle. I'm talking about the overcoming of mental setbacks and overcoming oppression. The "black power" movements and back to Africa movements. The African medallions. Knowledge of self. Codes and principles of a healthy lifestyle. Stuff that can make black people into better human beings outside of quick financial gain. Personal development.

That selling Crack and being jail birds is a very, very small portion of being black. Go watch Hidden Colors 1 to 4 and see how deep black history goes.

1. Selling drugs being evil is subjective. To say otherwise is ignorance. Your saying that blacks shouldn't speak on what's going on in its history unless it comes from a perspective you see as "good"

2. Black culture is more than struggle. So is the music.

3. Selling crack is a very small portion of black music.