Hip Hop Really Deserves to Die At This Point

[ObsidianDev]

Nothing last forever. I don't think people not calling these wack is the problem. The younger generation has different tastes and influences than us so the music is going to be different. Some old niqqa calling what they like wack isn't gonna make them change their mind. It's actually going to draw them to it. Part of youth culture is doing shyt to piss off the previous generations. It's just the natural order of things. Everything that starts off pure in capitalist society and gains an audience is going to be co opted by corporations and watered down for maximum sale. It happens to everything not just Hip Hop.

Same exact thing happened to punk rock.

By the late 90's "Pop Punk" took over and corporations completely turned punk fashion into an aesthetic, even briefly repackaging it from around 2008 to 2014 as the "Scene" look.

"Pressure" by Paramore will always be my guilty pleasure, though

 

[Awesome Wells]

I don’t understand how drake got away with the ghostwriter shyt

I'm still confused about that.

And respect for reppin' that 3333.

 

[Mastamimd]

Same exact thing happened to punk rock.

By the late 90's "Pop Punk" took over and corporations completely turned punk fashion into an aesthetic, even brieflky repackaging it from around 2008 to 2014 as the "Scene" look.

"Pressure" by Paramore will always be my guilty pleasure, though

nikkas used to wonder why I hated bands like My Chemical Romance, Yellowcard(like some of their songs tho) and Good Charlotte...I'll admit that some of the music was cool, but the stench of Hot Topic was on them like cigarette smoke on a drunk leaving a bar circa 2001.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Just have to use the ignore button. If you're a fan from the old era, you remember when hip hop was it's own thing, operating outside of the mainstream. You had to dig and look for it, stay up at night to hear it.
Now that it is fully mainstream and everywhere, it's taken for granted.

There are discussions about lyrics, history, etc...just drowned out by the other stuff. And have to dig and look for it, just like before.

This is true. It's definitely taken for granted now.

The damn "fans" don’t even care about it anymore. It's not special to them, or even valuable. Like you said, we had to DIG for this back in the day. Or wait until late at night for it to be played. It wasn't everywhere. So it meant something to us. We would spend all of our little kid money on it, lol. Nowadays, these losers are b*tching about having to pay $10 for access to 500,000 songs on streaming platforms. Bedroom producers are online selling their beats for $20. This sh*t is The Twilight Zone now. The whole culture has been devalued.

 

[Awesome Wells]

It’s genuinely sad. It’s easily becoming the lowest base form of music. Zero barriers to entry. No gatekeeper protecting the culture. The artists and subject matter rapidly declining. Hard pressed to call it an art form at this point. Now the biggest artist co-signing Ai voice modulation on tracks and a large portion of fans thinking it’s a good move? Yeah OP is right. Hip hop is cooked. I thought the beef would wake hip hop up but it just buried it in my eyes

Powerful post. And all true.

Hip Hop looked a lot different 30 years ago because we didn't just let anyone in. Like you said, you had to have certain levels of not just authenticity, but also talent to even be able to get a look. These days, you don’t need sh*t. For people who weren't around those days, I expect ignorance and all that. But for those of us who grew up in the Golden Era, seeing Hip Hop become this bullsh*t today is wild embarrassing.

 

[Awesome Wells]

@Awesome Wells respectfully, you and I are both just old now. It's why I'm not into hip hop and barely event check for this shyt anymore. I've long accepted that it's no longer for me.

Nah, I'm not that old yet. LOL!!

And I can't get on the "Hip Hip isn't for me anymore" thing that I see a lot of the good bruhs saying. For me, that would be like giving up on the sh*t I've loved my entire life. I still have hope it'll turn around. I see people trying to focus on bringing it back. But the problem is, there's mad people who aren't from the community who are invested in taking it in another direction and they have a lot of weak-minded "fans" thinking that this is supposed to be something else.

 

[Mastamimd]

This is true. It's definitely taken for granted now.

The damn "fans" don’t even care about it anymore. It's not special to them, or even valuable. Like you said, we had to DIG for this back in the day. Or wait until late at night for it to be played. It wasn't everywhere. So it meant something to us. We would spend all of our little kid money on it, lol. Nowadays, these losers are b*tching about having to pay $10 for access to 500,000 songs on streaming platforms. Bedroom producers are online selling their beats for $20. This sh*t is The Twilight Zone now. The whole culture has been devalued.

I said on Twitter that one of the worst things that happened is when they started caring about the rappers over the actual culture. This isn't a new phenomenon at all; Crazy Legs described how once they realized that they couldn't take the bboys home and enjoy them(BIG PAUSE) rap came into the forefront.

Stan Wars in the 2000s happened too...thing is it wasn't as big because most of the people on social media wouldn't know how to find the most popular album for free(I had to do that for mad people). I'm on the fence of just letting this shyt go or watching how things develop...but I can't get too mad. It's what they want

 

[Tetris v2.0]

I don't love the term "late stage capitalism" as I don't know what stage we're at and how much longer this shyt will go, but I think it applies here

Rap is the dominant genre of music. It's on the charts and it defines the fashion, slang and pop culture of today. It's not an accident. Corporations heavily invest in growing it and marketers and brands pay attention to the trends

Within the capitalist model, rap has to continue to grow in size and profitability. As a result, it's allowed a lot of fairweather, casual and straight up outsider views and perspectives to be considered

Previously you had to sort of "buy in" to some form of cultural identity and history to be taken seriously and have some credibility in this space. Those days are done. Anyone can chime in now so the conversation is saturated and there's no cultural narrative anymore. It's definitely not regional either.

We sold this shyt out basically, and this is what we're left with. I'm just grateful to remember what this used to be, and that we got decades of incredible music and moments, and we still get them again from time to time...

 

[RhymesWell]

It's largely because the youth, Gen Z/Apha either can't or refuse to make a new genre. Hip Hop isn't really palatable to their values anymore other than the lowest denominator factors.wish they would just make something new.

 

[Cᵣₐₛₕ&ₜₕₑCₒᵤₚ]

I look at the AI s*** the opposite way. I can't wait for this b*stard genre to be damn near 6 feet under and none of these dudes (beside the corporate machine) can profit from it. Pure unadulterated hater steeze. To survive the culling, you're gonna have to make a product so sophisticated/pure/talented that it cannot be replicated and if that's replicated as well who cares the people killed hip-hop and this is what it deserves ultimately​

 

[Awesome Wells]

I said on Twitter that one of the worst things that happened is when they started caring about the rappers over the actual culture. This isn't a new phenomenon at all; Crazy Legs described how once they realized that they couldn't take the bboys home and enjoy them(BIG PAUSE) rap came into the forefront.

Stan Wars in the 2000s happened too...thing is it wasn't as big because most of the people on social media wouldn't know how to find the most popular album for free(I had to do that for mad people). I'm on the fence of just letting this shyt go or watching how things develop...but I can't get too mad. It's what they want

Yup.

Funny thing is, the Stan's don’t even be actual fans or real Hip Hop heads. You got dudes on here talking about they didn't even like Nas until "Ether". Now they're his "biggest" fans. No kinda knowledge about what dude was doing before that. People are just looking for sh*t to latch onto and claim so they can have an identity through the music.

So now you see a lot of the original heads giving up and saying they're done with Hip Hop. That's wild. That's how bad sh*t is, that people are really thinking about not f*cking with a culture that was built by us, for us. The masterplan of those other people worked. They came in and eventually undermined our whole sh*t.

 

[HoldThisL]

This is the guy they let be on top.

 

[mitter]

It's still alive?

I stopped paying attention like 20 years ago ...

 

[BK The Great]

This is what happens when Stans act gay towards their favorite rappers. Y’all are fakkits for real.

 

[Awesome Wells]

This is the guy they let be on top.

And I wonder why.