“Hip Hop Came From Dancehall” Topic Came Up On The Breakfast Club

[darryl]

i guess i'll agree to disagree. Kool Herc is still the father. Listening to some random nikkas from Brooklyn isn't really factual information either. Kool Herc is in both the Smithsonian Institute as well as the Black History Museum as the founder of hiphop. I'll believe them over some random dusty nikkas from Bushwick lol

 

[Timothy Marley]

i guess i'll agree to disagree. Kool Herc is still the father. Listening to some random nikkas from Brooklyn isn't really factual information either. Kool Herc is in both the Smithsonian Institute as well as the Black History Museum as the founder of hiphop. I'll believe them over some random dusty nikkas from Bushwick lol

from the Source (you know a hip hop publication, that is hip hop to the core) :

The Source |Happy Birthday To Hip Hop Founding Father DJ Kool Herc!


On this day in 1955, DJ Kool Herc was born Clive Campbell in Kingston, Jamaica. He moved to the Bronx when he was 12 years old and took on the name “Kool Herc” when he became a member of the graffiti crew the “Ex-Vandals”. The name is short for ‘Hercules’ because of his 6′ 4″ stature. He began DJing parties that he and his sister Cindy threw in their building, which was on 1520 Sedgewick Avenue(Sedgewick & Cedar) in the South Bronx.

Herc pioneered extending the breakbeat on records by playing the same record on two turntables and cueing the “break” in the record, which he noticed had the greatest effect on the dancers at the parties. This was emulated all over the NYC area during the 1970s, thus spawning the culture of Hip Hop. He coined the terms “B-Boys” and “B-Girls” for the dancers who were “breaking”, which Herc says was street slang for “acting energetically” or “causing a disturbance”.

Kool Herc has influenced other founding pioneers of Hip Hop culture including Afrika Bambaataa, Grandmaster Flash, and the Sugarhill Gang.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

Most of the children living in NYC at that time were children of the South.
Disco King Mario was from North Carolina.
The majority of Caribbean music that time was American influenced.
There was no "cultural exchange" or "circular influence"
There was "(semi-static) large group inspiring (mobile) smaller group" and that's all.

Yea in my youth
I used to be that nyc guy who engaged in the north v south-east coast west coast. Hip hop was New York’s for the taking

until I matured and realized I was missing the point. Ados culture at its root is a southern based culture whether your from Brooklyn or Compton.

alotta ados from the north be co-signing people not of the culture. Not realizing that the goal is to take out the afram context completely, or at least diminish it. Nikkas like chuck d is an example of that lol

 

[frush11]

alotta ados from the north be co-signing people not of the culture. Not realizing that the goal is to take out the afram context completely, or at least diminish it. Nikkas like chuck d is an example of that lol

Paranoid for no reason. But completely ignore the Genres where White folks actually doing what you so worried about foreign Blacks.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

Paranoid for no reason. But completely ignore the Genres where White folks actually doing what you so worried about foreign Blacks.

Who says anyone is ignoring that

and what’s the point when people in here are doing the exact same thing white people are doing. It doesn’t make a difference

 

[Sindicated]

Most of the children living in NYC at that time were children of the South.
Disco King Mario was from North Carolina.
The majority of Caribbean music that time was American influenced.
There was no "cultural exchange" or "circular influence"
There was "(semi-static) large group inspiring (mobile) smaller group" and that's all.

And let’s not forget one of the greatest ny producers of all time was from Texas.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

from the Source (you know a hip hop publication, that is hip hop to the core) :

The Source |Happy Birthday To Hip Hop Founding Father DJ Kool Herc!


On this day in 1955, DJ Kool Herc was born Clive Campbell in Kingston, Jamaica. He moved to the Bronx when he was 12 years old and took on the name “Kool Herc” when he became a member of the graffiti crew the “Ex-Vandals”. The name is short for ‘Hercules’ because of his 6′ 4″ stature. He began DJing parties that he and his sister Cindy threw in their building, which was on 1520 Sedgewick Avenue(Sedgewick & Cedar) in the South Bronx.

Herc pioneered extending the breakbeat on records by playing the same record on two turntables and cueing the “break” in the record, which he noticed had the greatest effect on the dancers at the parties. This was emulated all over the NYC area during the 1970s, thus spawning the culture of Hip Hop. He coined the terms “B-Boys” and “B-Girls” for the dancers who were “breaking”, which Herc says was street slang for “acting energetically” or “causing a disturbance”.

Kool Herc has influenced other founding pioneers of Hip Hop culture including Afrika Bambaataa, Grandmaster Flash, and the Sugarhill Gang.

bs and and still going off 80s myths.....the same myths had Coke La Roc as the man who brought toasting from Jamaica eventhough he's 100% Afram

....in fact, there was no hiphop, rap, bboying, break beat djing, scratching etc.....done at that Herc party in 1973

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Zulu Nation even called out the Herc PR/Herc team over the claim:

AllHipHop News) There has been a lot of fanfare over the past week in celebration of what has been reported as the 40th anniversary of the birth of Hip Hop.
DJ Kool Herc is one originator that has become almost synonymous with the creation of the culture, but Quadeer “M.C. Spice” Shakur of the Universal Zulu Nation released a statement announcing that Hip Hop did not begin with Herc’s famous party at 1520 Sedgewick Avenue in the Bronx on August 11, 1973.

According to Shakur, Herc is a founding father of Hip-Hop, but he has been misrepresenting his role in the founding of Hip Hop on various news outlets.

The Zulu Nation Minister of Information also states that Kool Herc has asked his name not be included in any Zulu Nation Hip Hop Culture anniversary flyers several of years ago.


In portions of his statement titled “MISREPRESENTATION OF A CULTURE BY A FOREFATHER”, Shakur writes:

Herc is our brother, but when our family strays from us, we must first forgive them for mistakes, but let them know of their wrongdoings, and of course, welcome them back with open arms. We could go on forever about how many artists who are heavily a part of, or were a part of the Universal Zulu Nation, know and understand how serious this is. By no means should ANY of us attempt to change the course of history and flip it for a dollar or for accolades from an industry of Culture Vultures called “the media”, when we have known and still do know that many in the media want the false, doctored-up UN-truths, not the REAL truth. Especially when it comes to Hip-Hop. What is further disturbing is the falsehood that Kool Herc failed to respect the TRUE first ladies of Hip-Hop: ShaRock, Lisa Lee, Debbie Dee, Queen Amber. The women who were there ON THE MIC representing this Culture. Kool Herc went as far as saying his SISTER is the “first lady of Hip-Hop”. Kool Herc’s sister is also his marketing rep, and is part of promoting the falsehood that she (Cindy) is the “First Lady” of Hip-Hop. That’s NOT TRUE.

Kool Herc, aka Clive Campbell DID NOT BIRTH HIP-HOP CULTURE 40 YEARS AGO ON AUGUST 11, 1973. In fact, Kool Herc only did a Back To School JAM in the recreation room at 1520 Sedgewick Avenue in the Bronx. No emcees were present, no “Hip-Hop” was present (a term heavily used by LoveBug Starski and Keith Cowboy), and the Zulu Nation was already in effect. THIS is the reason for this message. Please get a pen and write this down, or go stand near the chalkboard and write this one hundred times to make SURE you remember: HIP-HOP CULTURE IS 39 YEARS OLD…ZULU NATION IS 40 YEARS OLD.

Some may say there’s no difference, and it’s only a year. But truth is, Kool Herc appears to be working with outside forces to overstep and outshine what is taking place THIS November 12th: The 40th Anniversary of the Universal Zulu Nation. Do you know how big that really is? How dangerous that really is? That so many brothers and sisters of the same accord have been together THIS strong for THIS long?

To be forthcoming about the FACTS concerning this message, we MUST inform those who are a part of this Culture that Universal Zulu Nation does NOT condone falsehoods with respects to this Culture of ours. Kool Herc may have done PARTIES, but a PARTY does NOT represent a MOVEMENT. Nor does a PARTY CREATE a movement. But the CULTURE of Hip-Hop CREATED a MOVEMENT and REPRESENTS a movement. Zulu represents and always WILL represent the four spiritual PRINCIPLES of The Culture: Peace, Unity, Love and Having Fun. We also promoted and rocked parties UTILIZING the five physical ELEMENTS of the Culture: Deejaying, Graffitti, Breakdancing, Emceeing and KNOWLEDGE. I would hope that Herc would adhere to the KNOWLEDGE of our Culture and refrain form the misrepresentation and falsehoods. This message is to inform you that there is NO TRUTH to what you have been hearing about Kool Herc and Hip-Hop having a 40th anniversary. Maybe Kool HERC was deejaying for 40 years. Maybe so. But Kool Herc has nothing to do with the TERM “Hip-Hop”. It was a Culture he was INVITED to once our founder Afrika Bambaataa FOUNDED the Culture USING the term. That said, I would venture to say that perhaps Kool Herc’s SOUND system , “The Herculords” is 40 years old, but not Hip-Hop. Give it another year, Herc. And give it a rest. We love you, but we MUST correct you, brother. Happy 39th birthday, Hip-Hop. Happy 40th Birthday, Zulu Nation.

Zulu Nation Says DJ Kool Herc Did Not Start Hip Hop And Is Misrepresenting The Culture - AllHipHop.com


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numerous heads from back in the day know the typically told origin story centered around herc and then baam/flash is BS

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

Go find a coconut, nikka.
1965

1968

I keep telling these dummies about Pig Meat.

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

Great thread! Culture Vultures. Everybody wanna be us.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Kool Herc neither invented nor innovated anything in hip-hop. That's what's funny to me. As I stated before, Grandmaster Flowers and Grandmaster Flash (and a couple others) had already created scratching, looping, cutting, etc., and were doing it at least 5 years before Herc. On top of that, the Zulu Nation didn't even exist back then. They were known as "The Black Spades" and they had a junior division called "The Baby Spades". So, how Afrikka gets put in the mix is beyond me 'cause, AFAIK, he wasn't involved until the mid-late 70's.​

 

[50CentStan]

Most of the children living in NYC at that time were children of the South.
Disco King Mario was from North Carolina.
The majority of Caribbean music that time was American influenced.
There was no "cultural exchange" or "circular influence"
There was "(semi-static) large group inspiring (mobile) smaller group" and that's all.

Obviously most children in that period were either apart of, or few generations removed from the great migration (1916-70). But I don't understand if you're trying to deny hip hop being nyc culture. Nyc has always had people migrating from everywhere, domestic and international so "cultural exchange" isn't far fetched at all. Big took and a lot of west coast OG gang bangers were from the south too, but to say that's southern influence seems disingenuous. But obviously it's my opinion, and everyone can have their own.

 

[spliz]

from the Source (you know a hip hop publication, that is hip hop to the core) :

The Source |Happy Birthday To Hip Hop Founding Father DJ Kool Herc!


On this day in 1955, DJ Kool Herc was born Clive Campbell in Kingston, Jamaica. He moved to the Bronx when he was 12 years old and took on the name “Kool Herc” when he became a member of the graffiti crew the “Ex-Vandals”. The name is short for ‘Hercules’ because of his 6′ 4″ stature. He began DJing parties that he and his sister Cindy threw in their building, which was on 1520 Sedgewick Avenue(Sedgewick & Cedar) in the South Bronx.

Herc pioneered extending the breakbeat on records by playing the same record on two turntables and cueing the “break” in the record, which he noticed had the greatest effect on the dancers at the parties. This was emulated all over the NYC area during the 1970s, thus spawning the culture of Hip Hop. He coined the terms “B-Boys” and “B-Girls” for the dancers who were “breaking”, which Herc says was street slang for “acting energetically” or “causing a disturbance”.

Kool Herc has influenced other founding pioneers of Hip Hop culture including Afrika Bambaataa, Grandmaster Flash, and the Sugarhill Gang.

shyt is CAP fam. Get this thru ur head. HERC is a forefather. But he didn’t CREATE hip hop. And it DEF ain’t come from no fukkin Jamaica. Period. Hip hop as a culture. Started in The Bronx NYC. Hip hop was influenced by the rest of the country. The south etc to become what it was as a collective. Hip hop is a BLACK AMERICAN influenced culture. NOT caribbean.

 

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[315]

bs and and still going off 80s myths.....the same myths had Coke La Roc as the man who brought toasting from Jamaica eventhough he's 100% Afram

 

[IllmaticDelta]

....read almost any book/article about hiphop history & coke la rock and you'll see everyone hashim as being a jamaican; Not one of them, mention him having North Carolinian roots Good thing that white guy intervied him and found the truth because lord knows, Kool Herc was never going to reveal this informationThe white guy had to complain to get it edited into his wiki page and get rid of that false jamaican narrative:

Coke La Rock's real name is G.S., I just spent over an hour interviewing him. I am Steve Hager, and I was the first journalist to write about hip hop, and, apparently, I just became the first person to do an in-depth interview with Coke La Rock. First, the info about being from Jamaica is total garbage, his parents are from North Carolina. I tried to clean this up because I am inducting Coke into the Counterculture Hall of Fame this November in Amsterdam, an event I created. I will post a youtube video tomorrow on my site, www.youtube.com/templedragon420, and you can hear Coke in his own voice dispell all the rumour and disinfo that has been spread about him. He never recorded a song, but he did lay down the foundation for hip hop lyrics, just like Kool Herc laid down the foundation for hip hop music. Please don't mess with my changes again. I am a professional journalist and have only posted these corrections because I care about the true history of hip hop. I know the real pioneers, and I reject all the lyineers who are spreading false stories about the early days of the culture. I tried three times to post the link to the page that verifies the changes I have made, but a bot keeps eliminating it: http://www.youtube.com/my_videos?feature=mhum. Also he doesn't want his real name revealed and I made the mistake of typing it in, and the bots keep putting it back on this discussion page unfortunately.

Talk:Coke La Rock - Wikipedia