Higher Learning Podcast 4 Sunday (7/22) at 9PM

[zerozero]

the only sensible way to run this is for the people who're participating more to do more of the steering. If someone else wants to exert influence beyond the handful of regulars than it'd be behoove them to start participating in the thread/podcast and then trying working to change things. It doesn't make sense for 4-5 people to get the ball rolling for a few episodes then someone else be like do this, do that... it has to be consensus based

Anyway, I'll be there. I'll probably just listen on the guns etc stuff but The LIG and Climate Change topics are interesting to me..

 

[cook]

what are the tech problems yall are having? streaming? recording?


is this still on for 9pm?

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I didn't realize there would be so much controversy over topic selection. This thread has literally been idle for two week with only scant suggestions here and there. I simply chose a few from each poster and put them up.

And no i aint running shyt through you Barnone. Until i start recieving a check from you for my time, then I'll consider it.

A poll wouldn't be a bad idea however...

I don't have any problem with the topic selection process. We're never really at a shortage of topics when the podcast gets going, so it's fine with me.

I do think we would be better served to approach the topic of a religion in a more productive way than who's more annoying between religious fundies and atheist pricks, though and I think most would agree.

And Leyet let's be real, if we put up a poll, only like 7 or 8 people would vote in it. I think we should spend two weeks throwing out topics and at the end of the day it's up to the host (HHL4E) to pick them, but we should be vocal about what we want. We can't talk about everything but we can do these every week or two so hopefully we can eventually get to everybody's issues.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

the only sensible way to run this is for the people who're participating more to do more of the steering. If someone else wants to exert influence beyond the handful of regulars than it'd be behoove them to start participating in the thread/podcast and then trying working to change things. It doesn't make sense for 4-5 people to get the ball rolling for a few episodes then someone else be like do this, do that... it has to be consensus based

Anyway, I'll be there. I'll probably just listen on the guns etc stuff but The LIG and Climate Change topics are interesting to me..

I agree that anybody who is not participating doesn't have a say-so. You want your favorite topics discussed, join the conversation then you have a vote. Until then, only the people actually on the show get to decide.

 

[theworldismine13]

Not to interject too much, but I would prefer if topics were ran by me before finalized. HHR does a good job with topic selection, but I think the two of us would do a good job in a balanced final topic selection. I said this to Leyet earlier, but I understand that you guys are the ones participating in the podcast and I'm really just the liason to bk (another reason shyt should be sent to me earlier so that I can send it to him and we can have an announcement on the site = more attention), but I have to have more input in this stuff. I'm going to edit the original post in a second. But instead I never know exactly what the topics are until Hip Hop says "these are the topics." Debating about them isn't really all that helpful for me when I'm trying to get the podcast attention when there's no sign of what's going in until he says, "we're discussing this." Which was nearly at the last minute again. We might have to exchange gmails or something because I'm on g-chat all the time.

If we were doing this on a Thursday, then I'd understand because then it wouldn't be until that morning where we knew topics. But if it's Sunday? Seeing how the news basically stops on Thursday. By that morning we should be good to go with topics. It should be something that's we're watching as the week goes on.

But that brings me to another point, the only reason I want to have more input is because I get the feeling that being a moderator, I watch the boards more than a lot of you (though recently that's questionable I know). If you intend to keep this podcast as just a reading group/book club type thing for just us then that's fine. But if you're looking to get as many listeners as possible then you cannot have a discussion for 25 minutes about philosophy. That can be something separate, but on the main podcast, that will get fast forwarded and lose more people than it gains. If you do that, you're making a podcast for yourselves as opposed to one that you're proud of and that listeners will listen to. BTW, I think you're all smart enough to have Olbermann like segment that's both funny and to the point about stupid shyt that has been said during the week. Like a minute or two to change pace and just for the sake of clowning the dumb stuff we hear during the week. (But that's just me). I have more to say, but I'll just leave with these last two points.

Leyet's idea about opening a poll is good only in a limited sense. It's good in the sense of having the listeners recommend a topic or two, but the point of the podcast is to talk about things that people are talking about and things that they're not talking about. If it's only about things that people are aware of then it loses some of it's value. Somethings people don't realize are important until you tell them. Further, you don't have a big enough audience yet where a poll like that would truly be a representative sample.

Oh, and one more thing, I know 9PM is the "ideal" time for VVD and some others but you'll never get a lot of viewers at that time. It's why I don't even listen live. You're running right up against HBO and Showtime's major shows. At that point, the Arcadium will have everyone's ear. Entertainment is watched more than news, you know this. Also, people are getting ready for the work week and another news cycle will be starting in like 7 hours. So if you're looking for live listeners you have to pick a different time. I mention that only because you're more likely to get discussion in the actual podcast thread when people are listening live. It gets good views regardless though.

Again, I'm not sure where you guys are looking to go with this. Some seem to be thinker bigger whereas others seem to be thinking smaller. I'm just throwing stuff out there, but I'm very good about checking PMs and I like to think I have a good eye for spotting topics that will garner discussion or attention. Otherwise, Life is Good

well it sounds like you want to be the "station manager" which is fine but since this is a free forum i dont know if it can work that way, i think you should have more input than the average poster, for sure, but i dont know abut having veto power and control

HH doesnt have to be the only podcast moderator, so if leyet or others wants to do certain topics he can mod the next podcast

i feel what you are saying tho and you are actually completely right, this podcast thing has a potential to go far and it needs more organization to do that but since this is more of a volunteer thing i dont know if you can exercise that type of authority

 

[zerozero]

what are the tech problems yall are having? streaming? recording?


is this still on for 9pm?

yeah we need someone to hook into the call and stream.. they can participate if they want or they can just stream it

I'll try to record to back up HH4E but I haven't done it before so if the streaming person wants to record too that'd be good to have as a third backup

 

[No1]

I didn't realize there would be so much controversy over topic selection. This thread has literally been idle for two week with only scant suggestions here and there. I simply chose a few from each poster and put them up.

And no i aint running shyt through you Barnone. Until i start recieving a check from you for my time, then I'll consider it.

A poll wouldn't be a bad idea however...

Check your PM, I'm not going there.

 

[No1]

well it sounds like you want to be the "station manager" which is fine but since this is a free forum i dont know if it can work that way, i think you should have more input than the average poster, for sure, but i dont know abut having veto power and control

HH doesnt have to be the only podcast moderator, so if leyet or others wants to do certain topics he can mod the next podcast

i feel what you are saying tho and you are actually completely right, this podcast thing has a potential to go far and it needs more organization to do that but since this is more of a volunteer thing i dont know if you can exercise that type of authority

Exactly. I don't want any veto power. I just want to help him with topic selection, which is obviously informed by what the volunteers want to talk about. But I can't make volunteers do anything. Like BrownPride said, "The moderator for Higher Learning is doing their best work when you don't notice them." I only brought it up because it was brought up to me. It is voluntary, but that doesn't mean it has to be unorganized. HH is a good moderator, and no one else has volunteered. I don't get his issue. It's just a difference of perspective. VVD and others have wanted to do some sports talk and Hip Hop talk for a minute (things that would get obvious attention) and HH is ignoring it. Everyone treads lightly because it is voluntary and he doesn't have to do what he does. I appreciate that more than anyone because I feel like I should probably be participating.

 

[No1]

I agree that anybody who is not participating doesn't have a say-so. You want your favorite topics discussed, join the conversation then you have a vote. Until then, only the people actually on the show get to decide.

That's ridiculous. So then why have a poll? So 4 people can participate? This is never how these things work in real life. Why would I join a discussion when you guys have a good flow? I'll say it one last time, I sit back and don't do anything. People complain. I get PMed asking me to get involved, people complain. I add the disclaimer: You have to decide what type of podcast you want, your own personal book club or for more people to listen? I got asked about making more people listen. Just like how getting more people to post in HL in general is brought up to me or I suggest it.

But you guys would prefer the former (personal book club) and that's fine. As long as it's voluntary I will never have a problem with how people go about setting up their own podcast. I gave suggestions. Just like I give constructive criticisms to all the article writers because I think a lot of that stuff has a lot of potential.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

That's ridiculous. So then why have a poll? So 4 people can participate? This is never how these things work in real life. Why would I join a discussion when you guys have a good flow? I'll say it one last time, I sit back and don't do anything. People complain. I get PMed asking me to get involved, people complain. I add the disclaimer: You have to decide what type of podcast you want, your own personal book club or for more people to listen? I got asked about making more people listen. Just like how getting more people to post in HL in general is brought up to me or I suggest it.

But you guys would prefer the former (personal book club) and that's fine. As long as it's voluntary I will never have a problem with how people go about setting up their own podcast. I gave suggestions. Just like I give constructive criticisms to all the article writers because I think a lot of that stuff has a lot of potential.

Lol...how is that ridiculous? If anybody complains to you personally, tell them you're the mod of Higher Learning, not the Higher Learning podcast.

It's not about being a personal book club, I'm hoping and asking for more people to join in. I'd even take an episode or two off if it meant getting others involved. I just don't see how anybody who is not going to be on the show can try to dictate to the people who are on the show what to talk about. If you don't like the topics, put a headset on.

 

[No1]

Lol...how is that ridiculous? If anybody complains to you personally, tell them you're the mod of Higher Learning, not the Higher Learning podcast.

It's not about being a personal book club, I'm hoping and asking for more people to join in. I'd even take an episode or two off if it meant getting others involved. I just don't see how anybody who is not going to be on the show can try to dictate to the people who are on the show what to talk about. If you don't like the topics, put a headset on.

Check your PM.

 

[zerozero]

That's ridiculous. So then why have a poll? So 4 people can participate? This is never how these things work in real life. Why would I join a discussion when you guys have a good flow? I'll say it one last time, I sit back and don't do anything. People complain. I get PMed asking me to get involved, people complain. I add the disclaimer: You have to decide what type of podcast you want, your own personal book club or for more people to listen? I got asked about making more people listen. Just like how getting more people to post in HL in general is brought up to me or I suggest it.

But you guys would prefer the former (personal book club) and that's fine. As long as it's voluntary I will never have a problem with how people go about setting up their own podcast. I gave suggestions. Just like I give constructive criticisms to all the article writers because I think a lot of that stuff has a lot of potential.

I think HL has a self limiting nature for the coli demographic. You can see how many people lurk the thread topics but never post. This was true in KTL as well which was placed in a prominent position on sohh but had the same dynamics. I know you've been thinking about, how can we make this a more general forum etc but at some point people are self selecting to stay out of here for some reason

About the podcast, what I was saying was very real life oriented, in my view; when there is an organic movement to start something and we try to change it to adapt to something else you might end up losing on both ends (the early volunteers aren't interested, the new big tent isn't volunteering). The drivers have to be the people who're already engaged, right, as participants and listeners. The phantom audience we're trying to advance to might just be a mirage

 

[OsO]

glad to see us communicating

 

[88m3]

Check your PM.

 

[88m3]

So are we ready? Friends?