Hidden Colors 3: The Rules of Racism (Official Thread)

[MaLi]

y'all know the Olmec's weren't black right?..

we have alot more prosperous history in Africa that we actually descend from..

Dr. Van Sertima is one of the researchers who was attacked for claiming the Olmecs were African. After reading his works in "Early American Revisited", it's made clear that his research brought him to the conclusion that Africans and Olmecs interacted with one another, and some of those "NEgroid" looking statues we're actually Africans; but the majority statues, and their creators were Olmec people... And lets be honest, its a good chance those two cultures were ing each other but I won't even go there as I don't remember or know enough to pass it off as fact..



The powers that be will take something we say or find in research, then flip it to make us appear crazy to the masses, and more importantly, to our own people. They'll sprinkle lies in our truth so they can spread their propaganda.They'll take our truth and hide it so we have less history and pride to fall back on. They're on another level with their games

That being said, Mana Musa's brother attempted to cross the Atlantic which resulted in Musa becoming king. Van Sertima believes Musa's brother is one of the latest Africans before Columbus to make it to the new world. But he also believes our ancestors made it across much earlier.

 

[Im Kemet Rocky & I like penis]

Dr. Van Sertima is one of the researchers who was attacked for claiming the Olmecs were African. After reading his works in "Early American Revisited", it's made clear that his research brought him to the conclusion that Africans and Olmecs interacted with one another, and some of those "NEgroid" looking statues we're actually Africans; but the majority statues, and their creators were Olmec people... And lets be honest, its a good chance those two cultures were ing each other but I won't even go there as I don't remember or know enough to pass it off as fact..



The powers that be will take something we say or find in research, then flip it to make us appear crazy to the masses, and more importantly, to our own people. They'll sprinkle lies in our truth so they can spread their propaganda.They'll take our truth and hide it so we have less history and pride to fall back on. They're on another level with their games

That being said, Mana Musa's brother attempted to cross the Atlantic which resulted in Musa becoming king. Van Sertima believes Musa's brother is one of the latest Africans before Columbus to make it to the new world. But he also believes our ancestors made it across much earlier.

doubt it..

there's no evidence..

negroid terms are outdated and debunked..

Olmecs were simply Native Americans..

 

[MaLi]

doubt it..

there's no evidence..

negroid terms are outdated and debunked..

Olmecs were simply Native Americans..

Have you read any of his books or any passages from them?

 

[Im Kemet Rocky & I like penis]

Have you read any of his books any passages from them?

no need..

hes not really credited, and hes going by a visual observation..

we would need a lot more evidence than a couple Olmec heads that look similar to west Africans..

 

[Y2Dre]

no need..

hes not really credited, and hes going by a visual observation..

we would need a lot more evidence than a couple Olmec heads that look similar to west Africans..

@ Dr. Ivan Van Sertima not being accredited.

You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Im Kemet Rocky & I like penis]

@ Dr. Ivan Van Sertima not being accredited.

You don't know what you're talking about.

he wasn't..

do you even know what you're talking about?..

you probably believe in that black athena crap too..

 

[MaLi]

Alright I suggest you take a look. Even skim through some passages before tossing the baby out.
He gives more than visual observation in this particular book


Who is "credited" in your opinion? Who you you look for when searching historical truths? I'm open-minded so I'd gladly check out who ever goes against his theories.
Actually, one exception:I don't trust information coming from known c00ns, and suspected white supremacists.. But I will still check out their angle in order to see how their minds work, and the various methods they use to attack us

 

[El Bombi]

History is written by the winners. Keep believing in CAC creditable history brehs.

 

[Im Kemet Rocky & I like penis]

Alright I suggest you take a look. Even skim through some passages before tossing the baby out.
He gives more than visual observation in this particular book


Who is "credited" in your opinion? Who you you look for when searching historical truths? I'm open-minded so I'd gladly check out who ever goes against his theories.
Actually, one exception:I don't trust information coming from known c00ns, and suspected white supremacists.. But I will still check out their angle in order to see how their minds work, and the various methods they use to attack us

alright...

real shyt, i don't read anything that's ridiculous. anything African and some parts of the middle east and even west/southern European is debatabale when it comes to the races of those civilizations. but saying we were the Olmecs, Chinese dynasties,etc. is just ridiculous. but i understand your point and position in reading scholarly work.

 

[Crakface]

Dr. Van Sertima is one of the researchers who was attacked for claiming the Olmecs were African. After reading his works in "Early American Revisited", it's made clear that his research brought him to the conclusion that Africans and Olmecs interacted with one another, and some of those "NEgroid" looking statues we're actually Africans; but the majority statues, and their creators were Olmec people... And lets be honest, its a good chance those two cultures were ing each other but I won't even go there as I don't remember or know enough to pass it off as fact..



The powers that be will take something we say or find in research, then flip it to make us appear crazy to the masses, and more importantly, to our own people. They'll sprinkle lies in our truth so they can spread their propaganda.They'll take our truth and hide it so we have less history and pride to fall back on. They're on another level with their games

That being said, Mana Musa's brother attempted to cross the Atlantic which resulted in Musa becoming king. Van Sertima believes Musa's brother is one of the latest Africans before Columbus to make it to the new world. But he also believes our ancestors made it across much earlier.

Van Sertima's work has been strongly criticized by academics, who describe his claims to be ill-founded and false. Van Sertima's Journal of African Civilizations was not considered for inclusion in Journals of the Century.[7] In 1997 academics in a Journal of Current Anthropology article criticized in detail many elements of They Came Before Columbus (1976).[2] Except for a brief mention, the book had not previously been reviewed in an academic journal. The researchers wrote a systematic rebuttal of Van Sertima's claims, stating that Van Sertima's "proposal was without foundation" in claiming African diffusion as responsible for prehistoric Olmec culture (in present-day Mexico). They noted that no "genuine African artifact had been found in a controlled archaeological excavation in the New World." They noted that Olmec stone heads were carved hundreds of years prior to the claimed contact and only superficially appear to be African; the Nubians whom Van Sertima had claimed as their originators do not resemble these "portraits".[2] They further noted that in the 1980s, Van Sertima had changed his timeline of African influence, suggesting that Africans made their way to the New World in the 10th century B.C., to account for more recent independent scholarship in the dating of Olmec culture.[2]

They further called "fallacious" his claims that Africans had diffused the practices of pyramid building and mummification, and noted the independent rise of these in the Americas. Additionally, they wrote that Van Sertima "diminishe[d] the real achievements of Native American culture" by his claims of African origin for them.[2]

Van Sertima wrote a response to be included in the article (as is standard academic practice) but withdrew it. The journal required that reprints must include the entire article and would have had to include the original authors' response (written but not published) to his response.[2] Instead, Van Sertima replied to his critics in "his" journal volume published as Early America Revisited (1998).[8]

In a New York Times 1977 review of Van Sertima's 1976 They Came Before Columbus, the archaeologist Glyn Daniel

labeled Van Sertima's work as "ignorant rubbish", and concluded that the works of Van Sertima, and Barry Fell, whom he was also reviewing, "give us badly argued theories based on fantasies". In response to Daniel's review Clarence Weiant,

who had worked as an assistant archaeologist specializing in ceramics at Tres Zapotes and later pursued a career as a chiropractor, wrote a letter to the New York Timessupporting Van Sertima's work. Weiant wrote “Van Sertima's work is a summary of six or seven years of meticulous research based upon archaeology, egyptology, African history, oceanography, astronomy, botany, rare Arabic and Chinese manuscripts, the letters and journals of early American explorers, and the observations of physical anthropologists...As one who has been immersed in Mexican archaeology for some forty years, and who participated in the excavation of the first giant heads, I must confess, I am thoroughly convinced of the soundness of Van Sertima’s conclusions.”[9][n 2]

In 1981 Dean R. Snow,

a professor of anthropology, wrote that Van Sertima "uses the now familiar technique of stringing together bits of carefully selected evidence, each surgically removed from the context that would give it a rational explanation". Snow continued, "The findings of professional archaeologists and physical anthropologists are misrepresented so that they seem to support the [Van Sertima] hypothesis".[11]In 1981, They Came Before Columbus received the "Clarence L. Holte Literary Prize".[12] Sertima was inducted into the "Rutgers African-American Alumni Hall of Fame" in 2004.[1]

Which white man do you believe and why. The guy in the field, or the guy behind a desk. TO THE c00nS!!!

There are people who already have their minds made up and are just waiting for a cac to approve what they believe already. When a cac tells them they're like SEE SEE SEE a credible professor says blah blah blah, but when someone credible gives validity to the claims, they're like BUHT BUHT WHO IS HE!?!??!?!

 

[Crakface]

Hidden Colors 3 The rules of racism (2014) Web-DL XviD-MAXSPEED

Spoiler: link

http://tinyurl.com/lu495xd

Reported

 

[Midrash]

Alright, I think a lot of people in here who side eye the Hidden Color movies are not trying to be fukk boys just for the giggles, myself included.

I personally support Tariq and I believe he does a great job of getting us all a better sense of perspective on where we stand because there are a lot of white people who legitimately DO NOT like black people PERIOD. There are black people who hate themselves and feel ashamed of their blackness and tried to distance themselves from it out of embarrassment due to all of the c00ns on TV. That Opie and Anthony thing was not a sole guy with a very unique view on racial politics. There are MILLIONS of people like Anthony who think EXACTLY like him. They aren't just rednecks living in trailers, they are teachers, politicians, doctors, lawyers, contractors, loan officers, real estate salesmen, business owners, CEOs, scientist and people in positions of power. A lot of his social politics when it comes to racial interactions can be pretty spot on and be backed up by reputable research and serious scholars. Even by other white guys and minorities.

My problem with the Hidden Color films are the topics that drift outside of sociology, politics, race relations and dating. The fact that he tends to push and propagate false pseudoscience and badly researched history is something to make most rational people skeptical of the entire premise of Hidden Colors. I'm a non-african black american, I have a Chemistry degree, I'm a science nerd so you really can't bullshyt me on half assed scientific research. His support of debunked melanin theories does harm the Hidden Color respectability by making the film seem as poorly done as that Zeigeist film.


There are legitimate brothers out there with actual degrees like Ph.D. Linguistics professor John McWhorter who lectures at UCLA Berkeley.(They don't fukk around academically, that school is like a third asian. lol) He writes about topics similar to Tariq. There are some things in that book that I disagree with but Dr. McWhorter makes sure at the bare minimum that everything he says is backed up with A LOT of reputable research so you can't make claims that he is pulling shyt straight out of his ass. If you don't agree with what he says, he often has no problems debating or being contacted if you feel he comes out of pocket.

There are other black people as well with actual academic qualifications that say a lot of similar things as Tariq does. One thing that damages the credibility of all of this is when we have this hotep, "get whitey" nonsense slathered on all of this reputable research that ends up making black people and African studies look unintelligent and non-credible. They will claim you are working for CACs or will refer to you as a c00n when you call them on their bluff. These people have no personal interest into bettering themselves as black Americans but they simply want to hate white people and find any excuse to slack off in life, school, bullshyt around and not be called out for it. I don't cosign that period because it does nothing to actually help black people and help black communities. They just want their fukkery to be cosigned. They are the same people that will make the wildest claims like seeing an Egyptian hyrogliph of a person with an arm stretched out with an orange sun in the sky and say that is solid proof black people invented basketball 2000 years ago because the sun was actually a basketball and the arm represents dribbling. They miss me with that bullshyt and they make black people look gullible and unintelligent.

 

[Crakface]

Alright, I think a lot of people in here who side eye the Hidden Color movies are not trying to be fukk boys just for the giggles, myself included.

I personally support Tariq and I believe he does a great job of getting us all a better sense of perspective on where we stand because there are a lot of white people who legitimately DO NOT like black people PERIOD. There are black people who hate themselves and feel ashamed of their blackness and tried to distance themselves from it out of embarrassment due to all of the c00ns on TV. That Opie and Anthony thing was not a sole guy with a very unique view on racial politics. There are MILLIONS of people like Anthony who think EXACTLY like him. They aren't just rednecks living in trailers, they are teachers, politicians, doctors, lawyers, contractors, loan officers, real estate salesmen, business owners, CEOs, scientist and people in positions of power. A lot of his social politics when it comes to racial interactions can be pretty spot on and be backed up by reputable research and serious scholars. Even by other white guys and minorities.

My problem with the Hidden Color films are the topics that drift outside of sociology, politics, race relations and dating. The fact that he tends to push and propagate false pseudoscience and badly researched history is something to make most rational people skeptical of the entire premise of Hidden Colors. I'm a non-african black american, I have a Chemistry degree, I'm a science nerd so you really can't bullshyt me on half assed scientific research. His support of debunked melanin theories does harm the Hidden Color respectability by making the film seem as poorly done as that Zeigeist film.


There are legitimate brothers out there with actual degrees like Ph.D. Linguistics professor John McWhorter who lectures at UCLA Berkeley.(They don't fukk around academically, that school is like a third asian. lol) He writes about topics similar to Tariq. There are some things in that book that I disagree with but Dr. McWhorter makes sure at the bare minimum that everything he says is backed up with A LOT of reputable research so you can't make claims that he is pulling shyt straight out of his ass. If you don't agree with what he says, he often has no problems debating or being contacted if you feel he comes out of pocket.

There are other black people as well with actual academic qualifications that say a lot of similar things as Tariq does. One thing that damages the credibility of all of this is when we have this hotep, "get whitey" nonsense slathered on all of this reputable research that ends up making black people and African studies look unintelligent and non-credible. These people have no personal interest into bettering themselves as black Americans but they simply want to hate white people and find any excuse to slack off in life, school, bullshyt around and not be called out for it. I don't cosign that period because it does nothing to actually help black people and help black communities. They just want their fukkery to be cosigned. They are the same people that will make the wildest claims like seeing an Egyptian hyrogliph of a person with an arm stretched out with an orange sun in the sky and say that is solid proof black people invented basketball 2000 years ago because the sun was actually a basketball and the arm represents dribbling. They miss me with that bullshyt and they make black people look gullible and unintelligent.

Can you give examples from the actual films.

 

[Midrash]

Can you give examples from the actual films.

Sure, no problem at all!

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*I just want to preface this by saying I am on your side and this cult like behavior of getting extremely defensive of even the most minor grievances with Tariq, Dr. Umar and FCW where they are above any criticism is extremely creepy past the point of simple dikkriding. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean that they are the "enemy" or out to get someone. The "us against the world" mentality and rampant deflection of criticism is used often by religious cults/extremist and multi level marketing/pyramid scam artists.*

Characteristics Associated with Cultic Groups - Revised
Janja Lalich, Ph.D. & Michael D. Langone, Ph.D.
http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm
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From the first hidden colors film, this was one of the things that I had question marks pop up and I had to go and look up after watching the film because they seemed questionable. I watched it a few months back so forgive me if it isn't word for word, I'm just going off of what I remembered that stuck out to me.


-In the first film at one point he refers to Beethoven as black because of a description that used the term swarthy and used this to shoe horn in this entire spiel that black people invented classical music because of this. It's true that Spain was home to a number of Moors (people, usually Muslims, of North African descent), but it does not mean everyone under the Spanish flag was Moorish.

Beethoven's ancestry is well-documented. His father Johann was half Flemish, half German. His mother, Maria Magdalena Keverich, was the daughter of Heinrich Keverich, chief overseer of the kitchen at the palace of the Elector of Treves at Ehrenbreitstein, in Germany. Beethoven was only 1/4 Flemish. The rest of his family, including his mother, from whom proponents claim his African ancestry originated, were German and of well-to-do stock. The Flemish connection only means there is a possibility of Spanish and/or Moorish influence. A small chance. Less than a quarter.


Beethoven's contemporaries described him as having "thick, bristly coal-black hair," a "flat, thick nose," large mouth, and what is described as alternately "ruddy" or "swarthy" complexion. In the middle of Teutonic Germany and Austria, where the average citizen had light skin, blue eyes, and blond hair, he must have made a striking, memorable presence. But what constitutes "swarthy" amongst such a population might not be what modern people consider "negroid." It just meant he was darker than the pale-skinned Germans. A Californian with a tan would have been classified as "swarthy." You have to understand that he was among people who looked like this and avoided sunlight to not appear as if they were apart of the working class These people in the picture has thick, bristly hair but are as white as a prep school lacrosse team.

All that can be concluded about the matter of Beethoven's ethnicity was indeed "exotic" in looks. He might have been darker than his contemporaries, but calling Beethoven "Black" would be extremely misleading. However, it is important to note that no one called Beethoven black or a moor during his lifetime, and the Viennese were keenly aware both of Moors and of mulattos, such as George Bridgetower, the famous violinist who collaborated with Beethoven.


A portrait of Beethoven that was painted during his lifetime. He looks like Hugh Jackman.

An actual mulatto musician from the same time period who was actually referred to as a mulatto.

 

[Midrash]

I find it so amazing that you all aren't willing to address the flaws in Tariq's perspective.

Its like the man is infallible to you all.

I REALLY appreciate his efforts since he's really the only one doing stuff like this on a MAJOR level.

...but we really need to have a discussion about quality control.

If this is what you all to represent US, then we MUST demand a better product.

I'm just gonna leave this here because these guys aren't listening.

Characteristics Associated with Cultic Groups - Revised
Janja Lalich, Ph.D. & Michael D. Langone, Ph.D.
http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm


-The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.

-Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.

-The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry—or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).

-The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity).

-The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.

-The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members' participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).

-The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt in order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.

-Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.

-The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.

-The group is preoccupied with making money.

-Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.

-The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.