Here we go....Floyd throws shade on Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, and Sugar Ray Robinson

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Okay finally read it :birdman:

I like how Floyd is comparing Ali coming off a 3 year break fighting an undefeated(at the time) top 5 heavyweight of all time Frazier, to himself coming off a 2 year "vacation" fighting Manny's leftovers(JMM) trying to move up from featherweight, where Floyd ignored the catchweight and had to come in heavy.

talking about how he gave his life to the sport :mjlol: then mentions Ray Robinson who fought 200 professional fights.. and nikkas like Ali and Leonard who fought all the greats of their era's...

nikka wont even fight unless he can control all the revenue. . his opponent is spanish.. and its on a apanish holiday.. Hes a disgrace
Manny'a leftovers tho:mjpls:




























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I don't have a problem with him calling himself "The Best Ever", my issue is with his shytty attempt at trying to demean Ali's record with some bullshyt criteria to make himself look better in comparison.
Just say that you feel you are the best fighter to ever lace up some gloves and leave it alone. That would be an acceptable bit of bravado.
He made valid points :yeshrug:
Although the Frazier comparison was a lil off base
But he had a point with Ali's defense not being up to par with his and some of the other stuff
He made it very clear that Ali was a legend and the greatest
He just discussed some of his flaws
 
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:mjpls: you're such a baised stan breh
So why is your outrage not directed at Floydie then??:youngsabo: FLOYDS THE ONE WHO SAID IT.... I just repeated it. Dont get mad at me for taking your idols logic and throwing it back.. In fact, whether or not Ali fought a couple tuneups before he fought Frazier or not still doesn't change how stupid Floyd sounds for comparing his fight vs Marquez to Ali fight vs Frazier.




So ironic :russ:

I knew what Floyd meant when he said it and even If he was mistaken ill give him a bit of a pass since hes been getting hit in the head for over 30 years and he actually fights for a living, you as a "fan" of the sport only have any real connection to the sport from watching and leaning about its history and not actually experiencing boxing in the ring, and thusly should know some simple history.

Floyd dismantling of the # 2 p4p fighter in the world is greater than Ali catching a fade after 2 tune ups to Frazier. You should thank God Manny was smart enough to duck that ass whooping he was gonna catch from Floyd because then he would just be another nikka Floyd beat and not some ATG like people try to say.

The hype and legend of Frazier vs Ali 1 is much greater than the actual fight (although still a really good - great fight)
 

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So ironic :russ:

I knew what Floyd meant when he said it and even If he was mistaken ill give him a bit of a pass since hes been getting hit in the head for over 30 years and he actually fights for a living, you as a "fan" of the sport only have any real connection to the sport from watching and leaning about its history and not actually experiencing boxing in the ring, and thusly should know some simple history.

Floyd dismantling of the # 2 p4p fighter in the world is greater than Ali catching a fade after 2 tune ups to Frazier. You should thank God Manny was smart enough to duck that ass whooping he was gonna catch from Floyd because then he would just be another nikka Floyd beat and not some ATG like people try to say.

The hype and legend of Frazier vs Ali 1 is much greater than the actual fight (although still a really good - great fight)

breh you're talking like floyd has a fight on that level in his career both of super hype and high quality...the closest he has was the oscar fight and that fight sure as hell didn't live up to its hype
 

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He's gotta be saying this shyt to sell tickets

Nah, I dont think so. I think he legitimately believes he's greater than SRR, SRL, and Muhammad Ali....which is PURE non-sense.


He doesnt have any Foremans/Fraziers/Listons on his resume. He doesnt have any Durans/Haglers/Hearns on his resume. SRR is the GOAT period...no need to go any further into detail on him.


Floyd's best wins are what? DLH/JMM/Canelo?:usure:


:camby:


He has no place to talk down on Ali or bring up SRL or SRR
 

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The hype and legend of Frazier vs Ali 1 is much greater than the actual fight (although still a really good - great fight)
That fight was a thing of beauty and lived up to every ounce of hype.
It also shyts on every fight Floyd Mayweather has ever participated in in his entire career.
 
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breh you're talking like floyd has a fight on that level in his career both of super hype and high quality...the closest he has was the oscar fight and that fight sure as hell didn't live up to its hype


Of course, your very much correct but he nor anybody else for that matter ever can because not only how popular Ali is/was (and that cant be understated), but also how big being Heavyweight Champion of the World was at that point in time. Everything in sports, music, entertainment in general from the 20s to the 70's is amazingly hyped up, more than any other period of time since. I also believe Floyd is a victim to his own greatness, there is nobody he can realistically fight now or in the past that would have beat him and I think he would have won in a convincing enough fashion as he usually does that people would toss these nikkas in the bushes like usual.
 

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I also believe Floyd is a victim to his own greatness, there is nobody he can realistically fight now or in the past that would have beat him and I think he would have won in a convincing enough fashion as he usually does that people would toss these nikkas in the bushes like usual.


Come on breh....dont do this:comeon:


He could've fought Kostya Tszyu, Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito, 2008-2011 Manny Pacquiao, prime Cotto (before he got destroyed by Margarito and Pacquiao)


There's no reason he missed all those fights when the public was clamoring for those fights to happen and against fighters that all had realistic chances of beating him or making it a close fight.
 
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Come on breh....dont do this:comeon:


He could've fought Kostya Tszyu, Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito, 2008-2011 Manny Pacquiao, prime Cotto (before he got destroyed by Margarito and Pacquiao)


There's no reason he missed all those fights when the public was clamoring for those fights to happen and against fighters that all had realistic chances of beating him or making it a close fight.


We have already been over the Cheeto "prime Cotto" shyt before. Manny ducked the test in 2010 the fight would have went down Floyd would have wrecked him in a once sided ass kicking then hed be bushes status. Floyd been called out Kosta a bunch of times and Paul couldn't get his shyt right at the right time to make the fight happen but he would have caugh the L too.
 

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We have already been over the Cheeto "prime Cotto" shyt before. Manny ducked the test in 2010 the fight would have went down Floyd would have wrecked him in a once sided ass kicking then hed be bushes status. Floyd been called out Kosta a bunch of times and Paul couldn't get his shyt right at the right time to make the fight happen but he would have caugh the L too.

None of this is true breh:snoop:

Pacquiao ducked the test in 2010? Floyd RETIRED in 2007 and didnt come back to September 2009. He could've fought Manny in 2008 after Manny beat ODLH. Hypothetically saying Floyd would win means nothing when they've been fighting in the same division since 2008 and it hasnt been proven that Floyd could actually beat him yet, because he hasnt gotten into the ring with him where hypotheticals go out the window. Hypothetically, Mike Tyson could beat Buster Douglas:mjpls:

As far as everyone else goes, like I posted last year in here:


Floyd Mayweather could'’ve fought Joel Casamayor and Acelino Freitas. They were both undefeated champions with him, in the same division for 3 years. Could you imagine Floyd’s resume if he unifies 130 and beats 3 undefeated titlist in the division. I’m not saying he “DUCKED” them but he did MISS them and the fights would’ve have enhanced him.


Ok go to 135 and Floyd goes through a slight rough patch in his career. He fought the beast in Castillo twice. I watched boxing at this time, I’m not researching it. When you lived through something you get a different grasp on it. Stevie Johnston was the #1 contender to the WBC belt. He had fought in 12 WBC title fights. People call Castillo the beast of the time but in reality when Castillo beat Johnston by razor close decision it was the upset of the year, that’s how highly regarded Johnston was. They fought a rematch and Johnston was declared the winner. Only to find out later the judges added the scorecards incorrectly and the fight was ruled a draw. So in two fights against Castillo, Johnston had performed on par with Floyd.

After Floyd beat Castillo in their rematch a fight with Johnston loomed. But it wasn’t made. Johnston was forced to fight an eliminator against Juan Lascano about a year later, lost and never got the shot. Meanwhile Floyd fought Victor Sosa and Phillip Ndou. Again I’m not saying he DUCKED Johnston, but he missed him and that fight could’ve been made. Johnston I believe was with Top Rank or had a good relationship with them because he fought plenty of their fighters. Stevie Johnston was a bad dude and everybody knew it. Again it’s convenient to say ,”yeah but Floyd beats him anyway” but I’m not one to suggest that everytime a guy doesn’t fight somebody.

Next up we have 140. Floyd fought two eliminators at 140 in order to fight for the WBC belt that Arturo Gatti had. He was the big dog at the time. I suppose he could have angled to go after the best fighter in the division which was Kostya Tszyu. The fight was never made. Tszyu is regarded as the best 140 pounder of this era, how is that not legacy defining. He was also the unified and RING magazine champion.

Now we go to 147. You talk about Paul Williams. You don’t even get the science behind certain things. “They” said Floyd wanted no part of Margarito and he was offered 8 million to prove it. Instead he fought Baldomir which was understandable because he was the RING champ. But Paul Williams instead fought Margarito. You’re NOT following me, so let me help. Williams and Floyd are under the same management. Williams beating Margarito in a sense takes an opponent away from Floyd. Brilliant move. More knowledge for you. Floyd, Vernon Forest and Andre Berto are all under the same management. Did you know that Berto fought for Floyd’s vacant belt at 147 and Forest fought for Floyd’s vacant belt at 154. Look it up bro.

I’m trying to give you insight on the maneuvering. So at 147 we have Margarito who stormed back into contention, Williams who was a monster and destroyed Quitana in the rematch, Cotto was a huge draw on the east coast and he had just beat two well known black fighters in Mosley and Judah. Remember Floyd has never done his thing in the Garden.

You take those guys plus Pacquiao and you have roughly 10 fighters that Floyd could’ve fought and it would have enhanced his legacy. What did I say wrong? It doesn’t mean he’s not great because he is. It just means that he made several business decisions instead of legacy decisions. But you have to take into consideration that some of the legacy defining fights, also make BIG business sense.

Every fighter I named was IN the same division at the same time for an extended period of time that Floyd was. I know that everything is not his fault. But when you have that many fights NOT happen, it does raise an eyebrow.





All facts breh. All fighters he could've fought that would've upped his resume. All fighters he ducked/dodged/missed/manuevered around or whatever you wanna call it. Bottomline, he's never stepped foot in the ring with ANY of those fighters and those are fighters that he would have gotten props for.

Prime Joel Casamoyer, Acelino Freitas, Stevie Johnston, Kostya Tszyu, Antonio Margarito, Paul Williams, Miguel Cotto, Manny Pacquiao....that's 8 prime fighters, all in Floyd's division at 1 time or another, all highly regarded at the time the fights were talked about, and all 8 were missed:wow:
 
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We have already been over the Cheeto "prime Cotto" shyt before. Manny ducked the test in 2010 the fight would have went down Floyd would have wrecked him in a once sided ass kicking then hed be bushes status. Floyd been called out Kosta a bunch of times and Paul couldn't get his shyt right at the right time to make the fight happen but he would have caugh the L too.

Kosta was Showtime, Floyd was HBO if memory serves me correctly. Cotto was at the fight with Floyd and Gatti. That was around the time Floyd left Top Rank. After he saw what happened to Arturo, Bob Arum or Miguel Cotto were interested in that fight. He didn't want Floyd to leave his company while giving the remaining #1 fighter on the roster his first L. Margarito didn't have a strap and I'll give y'all Paul Williams. Something like Thurman is nowadays, but Paul was a better fighter.
 

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I think Frazier won cleanly in a good borderline great fight but its still overrated, The Thrilla in Manilla as a fight was >>>>>>>>>>>>>

the bolded i agree....i think it is the best fight out of that trilogy easily and a top 5 fight of all time in all divisions but i still think very highly of their first fight
 
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