Have Straight Black Men become the new face of White Guilt?

[Mountain]

No we're not. Go look at the stats on victims of violent crime and there's no doubt that black men are at the top of the list. There are more black men killed in one major city like Chicago/Baltimore than black women are killed in all states combined. You are a lot more likely to be physically assaulted or killed as a black man than you would be as a black woman. You people have really been miseducated.

I know that but we are talking about physical advantage during assult not likelihood of assault, you’re conflating to different things here. wickedsm point (unless I read her post wrong) is that during the event of a physical assault we have a natural advantage because of our strength, which is a fact.

 

[Higher Tech]

I hate when people say they are "cis."

Don't know why, but it irritates me.

 

[Gravity]

Allow me to rephrase so you understand me.


YOUR postulation of "Black men have it worse." inhibits you from looking at other forms of oppression objectively. Which I why I posed that statement. Is who has it worse even important? ...no.

Do I personally think black women have it worse socially? Yup.

So somehow my position that black men have it worse inhibits my outlook but your position that black women have it worse doesn't inhibit your outlook? Can you say anything without blatantly contradicting yourself?

There are much more things that effect black women that are beyond their control.

Dont just make empty comments, support your shyt. Name the systematic privileges that black men have over black women. I asked you this the first time and all you're doing is deflecting.

Not to mention standards of desirability are much easier for black males to obtain than black women.

This is an opinion, not an example of a systematic form of discrimination. You sound like a woman because your position is based on emotion not the truth. You can't be serious with this here.

As well as being subject to many of the same threats of violence as black men.

This is a bold faced lie. Black women are no subject to the same threats of violence as black men. You have no shame dude

Earlier you said "race trumps gender" Well, I'd say the prison industrial complex trumps lack of access quality food/health care.

Should we ignore one issue because the other is "bigger" or "more important"?

I don't understand how you guys can't be motivated to end oppression in ALL its forms. Especially when so much of it involves our sisters.

I'm not saying that we should ignore anything. I'm saying that you're completely full of shyt. I'm saying that you and people like you are lying deceitful motherfukkers. That analogy makes no sense. Both the prison industrial complex and the lack of access to quality food/health care are both products of systematic white supremacy. It makes no sense to say that one trumps the other because they're both part of the same agenda. On be other hand, it's important to understand that race trump's gender because that fact refutes the lie that black women are "double minorities" who have to deal with racism+sexism. There is no universal sexism that privileges all men over all women. Sexism is nothing but a deflection to white supremacy. The gay/tranny shyt is a deflection to white supremacy. White supremacy is the only form of systematic discrimination/oppression in this society. This is why white women have always been privileged over black men. This is why white gays and trannies hold more power in this society than black men. Black men face even more discrimination due to our sex/gender than black women do.

I know that but we are talking about physical advantage during assult not likelihood of assault, you’re conflating to different things here. wickedsm point (unless I read her post wrong) is that during the event of a physical assault we have a natural advantage because of our strength, which is a fact.

That's not a "privilege" as in a systematic advantage. That's just nature. Everybody knows that men are bigger and stronger. That doesn't change the fact that black men are still victimized more than black
Women.

We are systematic discrimination and the lie that black men are systematically privileged over black women.

 

[Arithmetic]

Also she's an attractive BW who defends BM, so she probably gets called a "Pick Me" all the time by feminists.

Edgar Allen Poe'd Up

 

[Gravity]

Let me clarify_ men are safer from women than women are from men.
Men. Not specifically BM. Total men./total women

Men are more likely to be physically or sexually assaulted by other men.

Are BM safer overall? Of course not.

So what's the point of making this distinction when the bolded is all that matters?

 

[Black Magisterialness]

So somehow my position that black men have it worse inhibits my outlook but your position that black women have it worse doesn't inhibit your outlook? Can you say anything without blatantly contradicting yourself?

Dont just make empty comments, support your shyt. Name the systematic privileges that black men have over black women. I asked you this the first time and all you're doing is deflecting.

1. I took my personal feelings out of my initial argument against you. I only then injected my personal feelings towards the end. Do I realize that creates a bias. Yes. However, my bias is one that helps to assist ourselves as a people not just black men. I don't believe that somehow solving the issues of black men and black men only will solve the issues black women have, or black gays have.

I am merely asking you to look beyond a narrow bias and try and understand a wider perspective. You seem really tight about all this.


2.
Racial, gender wage gaps persist in U.S. despite some progress

Black Male Privilege?
(a good read on the whole subject itself)

https://www.deanza.edu/faculty/lewisjulie/The Black Male Privilege Checklist.pdf
(some questions that I think might help you understand)

 

[Neuromancer]

Edgar Allen Poe'd Up

Why do ya'll post these c00ns

 

[wickedsm]

So what's the point of making this distinction when the bolded is all that matters?

Are you saying that since BM are less safe then fukk black women and children's safety? If so I don't agree. Not at all.

"All that matters"

I'm not in here playing the oppression Olympics. Merely discussing some differences between issues that affect BM and BW.

In no way do I imply that one is worse or less worse or better.

Why are some of y'all insistent on fulfilling the oppressors goal of divide and conquer?

You're (we're) allowed to care be concerned about issues that affect men women and children at the same time.

 

[Kenny West]

@taddow and @Kenny West

im not sure why my post upset either one of you unless you just want to be upset for the sake of being so

nothing i said was anti man and definately not anti Black man.

i never make anti-bm posts or speak in anti bm language

i consistently call out/ neg/ report those who do

if you are insistent upon seeing me as an enemy, go right ahead
thats part of the problem we have in our community now, that we just dont want to listen to the other side.

ftr privilege in this instance means advantage
substitute the word and see if it reads better

im happy to agree to disagree.

im on my phone so ill keep his short and sweet

PRIVELEDGE DISCUSSIONS ARE FOR fakkitS

Everybody's basis for privelege is something they lack that someone else has. Calling that lack "OPPRESSION" is melodramtic faggery

These discussions are ALWAYS fruitless and petty because there is no quanitfiying priveldge and everybody considers their lack the end all be all. women have the "privledge" of being a protected class and not being conscripted for war, men have "priveledge" of not being the typical rape victim. No group are willing to define their stuggles as trvial, if you need proof talk to the white people "suffering" from reverse racism.

not only is the pointless and iillogical but its also toxic as fukk.. instead of promoting strength, positivity or solutions what have we gotten from this? men and women in a pissing contest for who's got the most pathetic existance? rancid p*ssy feminists trying to guilt black men into....oh right theres no point to all this


PRIVLEDGE DISCUSSSIONS ARE FOR fakkitS

 

[Roland Coltrane]

Sigh.

Only on the internet because I do not see any of this IRL.

I see it IRL

that's why I had to stop messing with the local BLM folks

 

[philmonroe]

im on my phone so ill keep his short and sweet

PRIVELEDGE DISCUSSIONS ARE FOR fakkitS

Everybody's basis for privelege is something they lack that someone else has. Calling that lack "OPPRESSION" is melodramtic faggery

These discussions are ALWAYS fruitless and petty because there is no quanitfiying priveldge and everybody considers their lack the end all be all. women have the "privledge" of being a protected class and not being conscripted for war, men have "priveledge" of not being the typical rape victim. No group are willing to define their stuggles as trvial, if you need proof talk to the white people "suffering" from reverse racism.

not only is the pointless and iillogical but its also toxic as fukk.. instead of promoting strength, positivity or solutions what have we gotten from this? men and women in a pissing contest for who's got the most pathetic existance? rancid p*ssy feminists trying to guilt black men into....oh right theres no point to all this


PRIVLEDGE DISCUSSSIONS ARE FOR fakkitS

Whole post is the truth and its funny how people on both sides don't seem to see the stuff that benefits them but just the stuff that doesn't. shyt is mad annoying on both sides and pointless like you said.

 

[I_Got_Da_Burna]

In this environment, Black men are perched high atop the list of oppressors of the marginalized community. In fact, one of the first lessons taught to unlettered initiates seeking entry into the group, is that “Black men are the white people of the Black community”. T

Good article breh. That's why I stay off the nonsense known as Twitter.

 

[wickedsm]

im on my phone so ill keep his short and sweet

PRIVELEDGE DISCUSSIONS ARE FOR fakkitS

Everybody's basis for privelege is something they lack that someone else has. Calling that lack "OPPRESSION" is melodramtic faggery

These discussions are ALWAYS fruitless and petty because there is no quanitfiying priveldge and everybody considers their lack the end all be all. women have the "privledge" of being a protected class and not being conscripted for war, men have "priveledge" of not being the typical rape victim. No group are willing to define their stuggles as trvial, if you need proof talk to the white people "suffering" from reverse racism.

not only is the pointless and iillogical but its also toxic as fukk.. instead of promoting strength, positivity or solutions what have we gotten from this? men and women in a pissing contest for who's got the most pathetic existance? rancid p*ssy feminists trying to guilt black men into....oh right theres no point to all this


PRIVLEDGE DISCUSSSIONS ARE FOR fakkitS

Thanks.
I will take this moment to reiterate that I didn't bring privilege up, just took a stab at responding to someone's question.

I am well aware of both my privilege and lack of as a black woman in America, which is better than some, worse than others.

Call me crazy for responding to a post on a message board.

 

[Gravity]

1. I took my personal feelings out of my initial argument against you. I only then injected my personal feelings towards the end. Do I realize that creates a bias. Yes. However, my bias is one that helps to assist ourselves as a people not just black men. I don't believe that somehow solving the issues of black men and black men only will solve the issues black women have, or black gays have.

I only initially quoted you because you were cosigning someone saying that black men are privileged over black women. That's an (invalid)opinion solely based on your personal feelings. So your personal feelings were injected from the beginning of our exchange. Not only are you a hypocrite you're a liar

I am merely asking you to look beyond a narrow bias and try and understand a wider perspective. You seem really tight about all this.

I'm merely asking to make an intelligent argument defending your position instead of lying and projecting your bullshyt on to me. You have the bias here and you just admitted it above. This isn't about not understanding your perspective, this is about calling your perspective out for being bullshyt. You have a dishonest nonsensical bullshyt perspective. "Yea I think black women have it worse..........but this ain't about who has it worse"

2.
Racial, gender wage gaps persist in U.S. despite some progress

This doesn't prove anything regarding black male privilege.

Black Male Privilege?
(a good read on the whole subject itself)

https://www.deanza.edu/faculty/lewisjulie/The Black Male Privilege Checklist.pdf
(some questions that I think might help you understand)[/QUOTE]Both links were pathetic and it's why people aren't just going to go along with your bullshyt. One of the things cited as a so called privilege is that the focus on mass incarceration centers on black males more than black females. That's a complete contradiction because when issues like domestic violence are talked about the focus is always on the female victims and if a man tries to talk about male victims he's accused of deflecting. So is the fact that domestic violence is seen as a female issue an example of female privilege?

I asked you to cite some examples of black make privilege. I didn't ask you for links to propaganda. You're an example of mentally weak and lazy too many of us are and that leads to being easily manipulated.

 

[George's Dilemma]

I hate when people say they are "cis."

Don't know why, but it irritates me.

That's because it's moronic. I hate all that sh!t anymore. I'm not a white dude, but when I read or hear some weirdo complaining about "heterosexual, cisgendered, privileged, white male, etc." I get irritated.