Has the feminist movement made men less manly?

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

There are some real life forces at hand and some bullshyt.

Men are getting washed in the workplace and in higher education. There is evidence to show that part of this is a systematic failure that starts with grade school's inadequacy in managing male energy in formative years, writing it all off as "behavioral issues" instead of learning how to deal with it. Family courts and generally anything related to domestic law favors heavily towards women, even if the woman is in the wrong. So there are definitely some legitimate systematic issues out that need to be dealt with.

But to me, as a man, it seems more rational to deal with what is in my control, as a man. I can't wave a wand and fix the schools and the courts. And if I am going to make a serious effort to do so, I'm not gonna waste my time crying on a message board. Men are facing some issues but ultimately I think a lot of what is holding us back is our own poor choices.............

- We sleep with unworthy women with no protection, and then cry when we are tethered to them by the law when they have our children.
- We think with our dikks and act out in anger, and then claim to be rational and unaffected by emotion
- We willingly give ourselves into the traps of materialism to impress people we don't know who don't matter
- We don't take care of our bodies (see the obesity epidemic and all that comes with it)
- We talk a lot but don't really turn that talk into action

Etc. etc. Men are up against some odds, but ultimately, we are still men. If you give up control of your life, and leave its outcome to opportunistic thots, materialism, family courts, the justice system etc., is it really fair to blame them? Men seem to have forgotten the power and beauty of choice and self-autonomy. It makes me sick to my stomach reading all the dudes on here eagerly assuming the role of a victim to rationalize and excuplate themselves from their self created mediocrity.

 

[Elle Driver]

@Elle Driver your contradicting yourself because in the other thread you said the right dudes don't crack on you like that and in this one your making it like they are all rapist. You have to be more consistent fam. If you just want hand pick dudes to apparoch you can just say that otherwise your messing up your own argument.

That's not a contradiction, I said it's the TYPE of dudes approaching, women still be on high alert regardless. Whether it's Patrick Bateman or Smokey. You don't know what kind of a dude he is until he actually starts speaking to you and from then you can decipher that.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

Im in a relationship.

Why you acting like we are all some women hating virgins just because we question the application of feminist agenda?

Is it your view that it's beyond analysis or questioning?

This reply from you seems like a sweeping condemnation that's atypical.

LOL you say this as you "sweepingly condemn" and demonize feminism, and caricature it as mindlessly anti-male, in the exact same way that white people paint black civil rights, and awareness over racial bias and attitudes, as being "anti-white".

So its pretty obvious you harbor deep resentments towards women, or perhaps you're just trolling or anti-social and care little for your fellow (wo) man. I dunno.

Even when it comes to street harassment, put yourself in a woman's shoes: would you like it if gay men, and fat, nasty, slovenly women you werent interested in cat called you and followed you incessantly as you peacefully went about your business in public? Shouldnt you have the ability to establish boundaries, and have your space respected? So why shouldnt women be able to do the same? Why do they just have to accept and tolerate however you decide to treat them?

And if you look good and respectfully approach a woman, you'll more than likely get a positive response, even if it is a gentle rejection. But with that you cant have an expectation that a person you're bothering is going to be receptive to your advances. You're not entitled to that. Thats just basic common sense.

And somewhere else in this thread you kinda shrugged over the fact that women make 5-7% less then men out of bias, because its not 21%. Do you know how much 5-7% is over someone's lifetime of earnings? Would you like to be given 5-7% less because you're name is "raul"? The fact that you cant put yourself in another person's shoes is a bad sign.

 

[Kenny West]

Do men feel like it's ok to approach random women in public, do men genuinely believe that it's not harassment simply because they don't intend to harass?

Has there ever been a time in history when men were so soft that they have to ponder moral implications of speaking to a stranger in public?

@Raul we're looking at the principle of the thread at work.

I know for a fact you know what Feminism is

You guys just like to take the psychos, that say crazy shyt and try to say that's what feminism is but it's really just equal rights for women, equal pay, not being forced to be the "stay at home mom & wife", not being forced to fit the mold that men (and some women) think you should fit, being able to live your life and choose different paths like men are allowed to do without judgement. Basically being treated like a human and not property.

The problem with most men that are against feminism is you guys take what the extremists say and try to say that's what feminism is about, like the women that want to kill all men/boys, or the ones that just flat out hate men. People's personal beliefs don't change the definition of feminism. Even other feminists think those feminists are crazy and we choose to ignore them. I'm a feminist and I think people being arrested for catcalling & "man spreading" is ridiculous.

Think of it like Christianity (not saying they are the same but), there are the psychos that sacrifice children, fukk children, and are just plain crazy and people use that as a reason to shyt on Christians but that doesn't mean that, that's what Christianity is about. You can't change the meaning of something just because a few of them act nutty.

You nor anyone you know has lived lacking any of these rights tho. :duckette: And that's precisely why modern femnism is more about catcalling, body counts, hating men, anti ____ shaming and whatever other bs.

Besides if the "extremists" of the movement can actually effect legislation (manspreading) then it's too late to be acting like they're some vocal minority

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

And regarding "street harrassment"...........

Women dont complain about anything if they find u attractive. Is the law unfair and racially biased? Sure. But in the meantime, find other ways to approach women, and work on making yourself more attractive in general, if you are looking for easy cooperation. shyt's not complicated.

 

[Remote]

You're from New York fukkin City man.

Yeah I know. But context matters.
A guy saying hello to you at Starbucks at 11am isn't the same as a guy walking toward you on the subway at 3am as you come home from a night out.

You can't possibly be treating all this shyt the same, right?

So no. No every dude is a potential rapist.

fukkin A. Meet me halfway here.

 

[Ashley Banks]

No offense but this is crazy talk esp during the day. I'm not certain but I can comfortably say its not a lot of rapes and murders going on in the middle of the day in busy places stemming from guys trying to talk to a girl. That's the type of stuff that makes people look at y'all's views sideways. I can see moreso at night but even then majority of people (male/female) aren't murderers and rapist period so that logic is kinda eh. I'm not saying to not be careful but when it gets to the point of everybody is a rapist/murderer you gotta dial it back some fam.

No one is saying that all people are rapists and murderers. But you don't know who is so you have to have your guard up and be prepared for anything.

 

[EndDomination]

What the fukk makes a man less manly exactly besides acting like a thirsty ass troglodyte because he sees a member of the opposite sex?

The rise of obesity, testosterone-killing chemicals in drinking plastic, the rise of porn addiction, a dwindling job market, etc > big bad evil feminism

No. Plain and simple.

What you're seeing are harmful aspects of traditional masculinity being pointed out as harmful. That's all there is to it.

Telling young boys to man up, mask their pain and basically hide any feelings that aren't considered masculine. It's widespread throughout a lot of cultures.

/thread

 

[Remote]

LOL you say this as you "sweepingly condemn" and demonize feminism, and caricature it as mindlessly anti-male, in the exact same way that white people paint black civil rights, and awareness over racial bias and attitudes, as being "anti-white".

So its pretty obvious you harbor deep resentments towards women, or perhaps you're just trolling or anti-social and care little for your fellow (wo) man. I dunno.

Even when it comes to street harassment, put yourself in a woman's shoes: would you like it if gay men, and fat, nasty, slovenly women you werent interested in cat called you and followed you incessantly as you peacefully went about your business in public? Shouldnt you have the ability to establish boundaries, and have your space respected? So why shouldnt women be able to do the same? Why do they just have to accept and tolerate however you decide to treat them?

And if you look good and respectfully approach a woman, you'll more than likely get a positive response, even if it is a gentle rejection. But with that you cant have an expectation that a person you're bothering is going to be receptive to your advances. You're not entitled to that. Thats just basic common sense.

And somewhere else in this thread you kinda shrugged over the fact that women make 5-7% less then men out of bias, because its not 21%. Do you know how much 5-7% is over someone's lifetime of earnings? Would you like to be given 5-7% less because you're name is "raul"? The fact that you cant put yourself in another person's shoes is a bad sign.

Dude you've got some issues.

 

[Brofato]

I never heard a feminist complain about not getting represented in waste management or in the coal mines.

Have you ever lived in a coal mining town? There are plenty of women who fought for that right lol.

 

[Won Won]

It may sound bad to you but it's a way a lot of women stay safe. Men don't understand because they don't have to deal with it as much.

I had a GF drop a gem on me about approaching people when she said that guys have to worry about being laughed at or embarrassed, while she has to worry about being physically touched or assaulted

 

[Elle Driver]

Yeah I know. But context matters.
A guy saying hello to you at Starbucks at 11am isn't the same as a guy walking toward you on the subway at 3am as you come home from a night out.

You can't possibly be treating all this shyt the same, right?

So no. No every dude is a potential rapist.

fukkin A. Meet me halfway here.

How I'm post to know both of them dudes ain't registered sex offenders? Especially if they're white.

 

[Remote]

How I'm post to know both of them dudes ain't registered sex offenders? Especially if they're white.

You're the best.

 

[philmonroe]

That's not a contradiction, I said it's the TYPE of dudes approaching, women still be on high alert regardless. Whether it's Patrick Bateman or Smokey. You don't know what kind of a dude he is until he actually starts speaking to you and from then you can decipher that.

I think its a contradiction because even if its the types you don't seem to care if,its the right type. If you can decipher what they are about from talking usually what is the big problem with them approaching? Are you that scarred somebody going to snatch you up a even though most people have never been anywhere close to getting snatched up? End of the day do whatever you need to to feel safe

 

[Will Ross]

Then street harassment should be taken seriously if y'all job is to protect.

It's no clear standard to what street harrasment even is.
You have some women that are so illogical that even asking a woman for her number can be called street harrasment.