Has Anyone Else Been Listening To The New 'Serial' Podcast ?

[OG Talk]

What a waste of my time



3 months of nothing wrapped in glossy production


Good work NPR...

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Jay speaks part 2

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/30/exclusive-jay-part-2/

 

[Rufus Dufus]

SNL clowning Serial



Just finished the all the episodes today. Pretty good, but the ending was a let down.

 

[The_King_of_Everything]

Jay did that shyt

 

[cellsius]

Jay be lying his ass off. Its hard to buy his story. Now he saying the trunk pop happened at his grandmother's crib. I still don't know what I think. I've gone back and forth about 4 times while writing this post

 

[50CentStan]

Sorry brehs and brehettes Im late to the feast, lettuce break it down bruhs. This dude Jay did it.

-Jays story changed like 4 times (for me thats more than enough to pin this clown)
-Jay Claims he was scared of getting busted for dealing marijuana , doubt dude was a big player in the game, and even if he was you would move it to one of your friends houses when things got hot.
-Jay talks about how Hae was strangled to the cops before even knowing thats the cause of death , then in his interview he claims to not know how she was killed, that he only saw the body.
-Jay admits to destroying evidence, only a guilty party would do something like that.
-The theory of Adnan telling Hae that dude was creeping with Jenn sounds the most believable. So dude kills Hae to keep is dream girl, and needs someone to take the fall when the police find the body and now might be on his ass.
-Adnan had no real reason to kill Hae, dude was basically a playboy out smashing chicks from DC to Philly. So jealous ex boyfriend is a terrible motive.
-DA yelling at Don to make Adnan look "creepy" seems like a corupte system just trying to get another case in the "solved" colum.



-the only thing that doesnt make sense is, if they arent really friends why loan dude your car and your phone? that makes no sense. even if youre friends why loan your car out in high school? Other thing that doesnt make sense is Adnan in Jail not willing to be like "this dude Jay is full of shyt, he doing this for some other reason...." but no, all he says is very calmly "i dont know why he would say that" almost like he has no animosity towards the dude that got him locked up.

-Everything about Jay points to him being guilty, him being nervous all the time, not wanting to talk to anybody about the case UNTIL the cops talk to Jen. I wouldnt be surprised if she was in on it also.(shyt, maybe she killed hae and Jay was protecting her)

I dont think there is enough HARD evidence to actually lock up Jay or Adnan, but I think more signs point to Jay. Dude is a fraud. Hopefully something happens and they can bury dude under the jail. I mean cops cant see what size hands strangled ol girl? Or something to that nature? There has to be something, just a lazy justice system.

-Extra---Really strange that they got tired of digging the grave, and the grave was only 6 inches deep. And it was rainy, should be easier to dig. Almost seems like the kill 2 birds with one stone theory about Hae was killed so she cant tell stephanie jay is cheating, and Adnan (who could bang his girl stephanie) gets framed for the crime and is out the picture.

 

[D-NICE]

Jay is one of those dudes who just lies all the time. The type to just exaggerate and just make himself seem more important than what he really is. That being said, all that lying has bit him in the ass. It seems like majority of the people who have listened to the show thinks he did cause of all the lying he has done and I don't blame them. I don't know who did it though.

My theory on this show is Jay was coached on his story by the police. I was listening to combat jack show with the guy from the CP5 and he was talking about how they basically forced and coached a fake confession out of him and that's how they all got locked up. That guy can tell you everything he was coached to say cause he actually got locked up for it but I believe since Jay got off light, he doesn't care as long as the end result was that Adnan did it.

I refuse to believe the judicial system is that lenient on someone who was an accessory to murder. I know someone who got a few years for riding along in a car with some people who committed a robbery. The dudes who committed the robbery said he didn't have nothing to do with it and the cops ain't give two shyts and still locked his ass up. Now I'm supposed to believe a guy who helped bury a body only gets two years probation? I know a dude who got longer than that for using a stolen credit card not assisting in murder.

Maybe the police had something on Adnan or that anonymous call made them really focus their attention on Adnan, but I don't believe they had much of a case against him. Who they would have a case against would be Jay for selling weed and probably pressured dude into talking. The cops probably gave him a story the first time and he had to tighten it up each time to fit the perfect narrative of what happened with the call logs and locations. Thats why he can never truly remember the details and has multiple versions, its not his story.

 

[dtownreppin214]

http://www.newsweek.com/serial-subject-adnan-syed-granted-appeal-murder-conviction-305217

‘Serial’ Subject Adnan Syed Granted Appeal of Murder Conviction
BY PAULA MEJIA 2/7/15 AT 4:15 PM

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The Maryland Court of Special Appeals has agreed to allow an appeal by the subject of the explosively popular podcast Serial, Adnan Syed, who was convicted in the 1999 strangling death of his ex-girlfriend Hae Min Lee, reportsThe Baltimore Sun.

Syed, 33, also attempted to appeal the decision several years ago, but his request was denied by the Baltimore Circuit Court. His attorney, C. Justin Brown, applied on Syed’s behalf via the Maryland Court of Special Appeals in 2014 to overturn that decision, arguing that Syed’s previous counselor, Christina Gutierrez, who died in 2004, hadn’t effectively aided her client in the case.

The lawyer said Gutierrez was “ineffective” in defending Syed during the 2000 murder trial, failing to honor pre-trial requests such as exploring whether the state would cut a plea deal and not pursuing an alibi offered by a high school classmate of the defendant, Asia McClain.

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Although McClain said she could provide an alibi for Syed, Gutierrez did not call her in as a witness. McClain, who claimed in an affidavit last month that she remembers speaking to Syed at school at the time the murder purportedly happened, has said that she would testify if the case were to be reopened.

The Washington Post reports that the appeal decision may allow new evidence to be introduced in the case, but first a three-judge panel must decide whether McClain’s testimony would be admissible.

Brown told The Baltimore Sun that he and Syed were “extremely happy” with the decision, but that it is only the “first step in a pretty long process.” He has yet to tell Syed of the results, according to The Washington Post.

Syed was found guilty in 2000 on charges of robbery, kidnapping, first-degree murder and false imprisonment and is serving a life sentence. But an investigation probed by the podcast revealed that there was no physical evidence or eyewitnesses suggesting that he had committed the crime. The case relied heavily on the statement of a past friend, Jay Wilds, who testified in court that he had assisted Syed in hiding Min Lee’s body in Baltimore’s Leakin Park.

During the show, Serial host Sarah Koenig, who also produced This American Life, attempted to retrace the route the two supposedly took to the park, but said the times and locations cited didn’t add up. Some believe the show has helped expose cracks in the story; as the Sun notes, these kinds of appeals are rarely granted, especially after a convict has spent 15 years behind bars.

“I think that it shows that the court is interested in the issues that we raised. If they weren’t interested in them they wouldn’t have granted” the application for leave to appeal, Brown told The Washington Post.

Unless the state attorney general’s office denies the motion by April 16, Syed’s appeal date is currently scheduled for June.

 

[dtownreppin214]

I'm sorry brehs, until Adnan can explain the "butt call" to his girl in Philly, then it was Adnan. I can't escape that part of the story. Adnan is a psychopath. I seen these types of indians all throughout college. They know how to put on a face like everything is fine but deep down they are maniacally depressed. Plus if it was Jay, dude would have never offered to speak to Koenig...he'd have nothing to gain.

 

[cellsius]

I think the neisha call can easily be explained by it being a butt dial while the strangling was happening. It obviously would have been some struggling going on. And as far as jay, he only talked to sarah when she showed up at his crib. And he didn't speak on tape

 

[GreatestLaker]

I agree with these redditors. Sarah was biased in her story telling and you guys fell for it. Its clear from the very start of the podcast that she wanted us, the listeners to believe that Adnon was innocent.

I have been following this story for quite some time now, obsessively listening and relistening to the podcast, reading these posts, and looking at the actual evidence that I could find online. Here is what stuck out at me:

While SK probably didn't mean for it to happen, she was certainly biased in her storytelling. This was probably due to the fact that her story began with Rabia so she viewed things in Adnan's favor from the start. Some people continue to maintain that she was fair. She had an ENTIRE episode on Jay's inconsistencies, which although there are quite a few, do not explain Adnan's own inconsistencies. I have tried to remove Jay from these, since many people find him unreliable.

1) Adnan lied about asking Hae for a ride that day, for which there is no excuse * not only was this confirmed by Becky and Debbie, but there was also hearsay that he may have told her it was in the shop (clearly a lie and collaborates with Jay's story) * Adnan told SK that he is "99% sure" he did not leave campus after school (again no reason for him to be asking for a ride) * Adnan had track at 3:30 so there is no reason for him to be leaving campus at all

2) Adnan lies about Leakin Park * Adnan told Saad, his best friend, that he didn't know where the park even is, clearly lying * His cell phone pinged from that area the same night that Hae went missing * Even in Jay's most recent story, this is the time that Adnan would be scouting the park for the right spot

3) Adnan was VERY late to psychology that day * for some reason people have been quick to attack Jay for saying Adnan was ditching his last class * According to his schedule, his class starts at 12:50 but his teacher noticed him there at 1:27, that's almost 40min late! That IS considered ditching, and Adnan has not been able to provide an explanation for this

4) The "I am going to kill" message on the breakup letter * From personal experience this is not something that a normal teenager writes on a letter * Adnan claims he didn't write this...but it was found in his house...do we really believe that someone broke in his house to write this?

5) Adnan has almost no witnesses to vouch for him * for someone who is supposed to be social and popular, how is it that NO ONE can confirm he was at track * NO ONE can confirm seeing him at the Mosque * multiple people report seeing Hae after school, but no one remembers seeing Adnan? Or what he was doing? There's Asia...but no one else? * Adnan claims he was checking email in the library computer, but there were no email responses from him at the time, no computer history to back him up, no read-time-stamps on anything?

~~If Adnan really was completely innocent with nothing to hide, he would have been on the front-lines defending himself and finding people to vouch for his story. I know for a fact that if I had a life sentence on the line, I would be calling everyone in my school, driving to people's houses, and going crazy trying to defend myself. I have not seen this in Adnan, in fact he seems to be fairly passive about what happened, forcing us to rely on the little information he has supplied.

AS FOR JAY:

Some of the people in here have become too close to this case and have tried to dissect his stories so much that they have begun to paint him as some kind of manipulative criminal mastermind. This seems to me to be completely illogical.

Jay has provided a fairly logical answer for why his story changed with the cops. Additionally, he does not strike me as a particularly smart guy. He probably had some nuggets of the story, was somewhat uncooperative, and the prosecution basically took advantage of him and made him say what they wanted him to say while bribing him with an amazing deal.

When I read his most recent interview, while everyone was immediately attacking him, one thing was clear to me- Jay had not read Reddit carefully, nor has he listened to Serial at all. Why would he give an interview without researching? He's not that bright, he's anxious, scared of the attention, and he believes he has the truth. That's why the new version of his story did not strike me as so crazy. If someone has not been following the case so closely, it is very logical to believe that they would not be able to give an hour by hour account of a day that happened 15 years ago.

Another obvious observation for me is that IF Jay really was lying to cover for himself or a 3rd party, his story would be consistent the whole time. From basic psychology, someone who is worried about lying does not throw out insane fallacies. The fact that it is so off is actually proof of his honesty rather than his incrimination.

WHAT I THINK:

From the evidence that we have it seems clear that Adnan did it. Jay is most likely forgetting or hiding small details, but that doesn't make Adnan innocent. Should the jury have convicted him? Maybe not, but maybe yes, I'm not sure. The Adnan-is-innocent crowd on here is due to SK's biased story telling that pretty much strongly insinuated that Adnan is not guilty all the way until the last few episodes. When the facts are all laid out, however, it's hard to find another explanation.

http://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodca..._biased_jay_is_not_a_mastermind_adnan_did_it//

Rabia's biased view mediated through SK:s excellent storytelling has manipulated us to speculate on alternate hypotheses in this case. But I think this case is more clear than many other murder cases. That Adnan did it is the simplest and more reasonable explanation. If you believe something else, you have a much more complex, and therefore unlikely chain of events. Here's why:

1) Most murders occur irrationally, between people that know each other well. Violent quarrels that go over the line. No way can you tell in advance if a person is a potential murderer.

2) This murder occurs in a time window when there is a big transition in relationships regarding Hae, Adnan and Don. This implicates Adnan and Don. What is the probability that someone else would randomly kill Hae, for no apparent motive, within this small time window (say 1-8 weeks)?

3) Don has alibi, Adnan has a very poor one. Also, a few other circumstances are not in Adnan's favour (ask for a ride, "I will kill" note, cell phone pings around Leakin park).

4) Jay's testimony. The simple explanation is a freaked out, remorseful kid, who does the brave, grown up thing - confesses by telling the truth and gets it off his chest. The complex explanations are that he is trying to frame Adnan, or that he falsely confesses, conspire with police, etc. Sure, he may lie about details, portray himself in a better light, vary his story etc, but I think that is irrelevant to Jay confessing. It is Adnan that conceals most of the truth, not Jay.

5) Several people back up Jay's story.

All of the above leaves me the conclusion that without reasonable doubt, Adnan did it, or he is one super-unlucky guy. There is off course some question about degree of guilt, and "premeditated" may be wrong. But that's for Adnan to tell us. His silence is disturbing.

No hypothesis will eliminate all uncertainties and strange events, such as Mr S. stumbling on the grave, the anonymous caller etc.

The Western principles of trial depends on witnesses telling the truth, and that most people are willing to tell the truth. You may say "duh - witnesses still lie", but I think you have poor reasons to believe that Jay did - he did what he could for Hae's family to come to closure.

Still, I thought the podcast raised some really interesting questions about crime investigation, and was innovative in many ways.

 

[50CentStan]

dtown is right about them indians man, lol They some strange cats. but I dont think that only adnan did it. It kind of seems like Adnan was kicking it with jay, and jay being a weirdo/goth he was probably like "you ever wanted to know what it felt like to kill somewan brah?" *hits blunt* then passes to adnan, and "hes like damn brah, far out, yea it would be knarley" and they decide to kill the asian chick. No way one of them is innocent if the other is guilty, and one of them definitely did it, meaning both of them did it lol. But the state doesnt have anything reall, even the nisha call doesnt explain anything, she never said she spoke to dude at the time the murder or burial would be, right?

 

[FAH1223]

reasonable doubt abound

 

[dtownreppin214]

I agree with these redditors. Sarah was biased in her story telling and you guys fell for it. Its clear from the very start of the podcast that she wanted us, the listeners to believe that Adnon was innocent.

this is how I started feeling towards the end of the series. felt like she was trying too hard to pin this on jay. she was also irresponsible for bringing in that man who found the body into this when it was obvious from the jump that this centers around adnon and jay.

i hope he loses the appeal b/c otherwise they are about to release a killer and a psychopath and i wouldn't be surprised if jay ended up dead soon after his release.

 

[futuretrunks]

why is adnan meant to be Asian but sounds like a black dude