Harvey Weinstein Brehs

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Scribe is an actual civil rights attorney and has probably done more to help victims of sexual abuse than anyone on this board. What you just did is wrong. Number one, people need to stop with the super lazy compare everything to black people argument that does more to get an emotional reaction than demonstrate an actual parallel. Number 2, he never put up the standard you just said or that @Rekkapryde cosigned. You just blatantly misrepresented to make your point. He said that the problem is that no one takes these people seriously to even investigate their claims. You don't solve that by saying then overturning the entire premise of our legal system and saying someone is guilty until proven innocent. No one argues that with black people and none of the civil rights laws do that. They use case specific statistics to show that their is discrimination in the instant case. No one goes to court and says black people get paid less than white people in society as a whole therefore it is on this corporation to show why that guy getting paid 5 dollars less is not being racially discriminated against. Instead, he is compared to his peers at his workplace, etc. Scribe's point is that you don't say "most women don't report rape" and therefore the court should now, based on nothing but he say she say determine that the accused is guilty until proven otherwise and that the burden of evidence is shifted. Always belieiving a woman and innocent until proven guilty are mutually exclusive. This is the exact logic that led to fukk ups like UVA as he cited. One of the greatest stories about capturing a serial rapist involved a female detective who said you should never take anyone's word as true but instead follow every contradictory lead when someone claims rape because of how traumatic it is. This social media ass logic a lot of you are running with makes no sense in a courtroom. Imagine citing black on black crime as a reason why it is more probable than not that the accused who is black is the person who shot the black plaintiff. If you want to talk about changing how rape is investigated that is one thing and coming up with a prima facie standard but what you're pushing makes no sense to most men and women.

I'm not gonna get into a back and forth with you about what some civil rights lawyer thinks. It's not gonna sway how I feel about sexual abuse and their victims. I'm not a cop, I'm not a lawyer, and I'm a juror or prosecutor. This is my opinion. As a black person, as a woman, and as a former counselor who worked with abuse victims, I do not ever place the burden of proof on the victim. If you have ever served in a counseling role or advocate for abuse victim and you come at them asking them to present proof before they get help, you would not be a good counselor or advocate. Your point of view and approach is for someone who deals in the legalities of these situations. My point of view is someone who deals with the psychological trauma and healing in these situations. As counselors, as advocates, as hotline operators, we don't ever ask for "proof" before helping folks. You're not gonna change anyone who helps victims minds about that, because it's just not a good approach for those who want to help victims. So we'll just agree to disagree.
 

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shyt is getting deep.


This is like something straight out of a movie. Hollywood can hire foreign spies now to shut down their accusers? Like Weinstein was doing Godfather level moves. And it's very interesting that the person uncovering and reporting all of this is the son of Woody Allen. Is this is way of getting back at his father? Or paying dues for the guilt he has over his stepsister being molested? I really think dude may win a Pulitzer Prize for his investigative reporting. He's literally responsible for hugest shakedown in Hollywood.


Excerpt from Harvey Weinstein’s Army of Spies

In the fall of 2016, Harvey Weinstein set out to suppress allegations that he had sexually harassed or assaulted numerous women. He began to hire private security agencies to collect information on the women and the journalists trying to expose the allegations. According to dozens of pages of documents, and seven people directly involved in the effort, the firms that Weinstein hired included Kroll, which is one of the world’s largest corporate-intelligence companies, and Black Cube, an enterprise run largely by former officers of Mossad and other Israeli intelligence agencies. Black Cube, which has branches in Tel Aviv, London, and Paris, offers its clients the skills of operatives “highly experienced and trained in Israel’s elite military and governmental intelligence units,” according to its literature.

Two private investigators from Black Cube, using false identities, met with the actress Rose McGowan, who eventually publicly accused Weinstein of rape, to extract information from her. One of the investigators pretended to be a women’s-rights advocate and secretly recorded at least four meetings with McGowan. The same operative, using a different false identity and implying that she had an allegation against Weinstein, met twice with a journalist to find out which women were talking to the press. In other cases, journalists directed by Weinstein or the private investigators interviewed women and reported back the details.

The explicit goal of the investigations, laid out in one contract with Black Cube, signed in July, was to stop the publication of the abuse allegations against Weinstein that eventually emerged in the New York Times and The New Yorker. Over the course of a year, Weinstein had the agencies “target,” or collect information on, dozens of individuals, and compile psychological profiles that sometimes focussed on their personal or sexual histories. Weinstein monitored the progress of the investigations personally. He also enlisted former employees from his film enterprises to join in the effort, collecting names and placing calls that, according to some sources who received them, felt intimidating.

In some cases, the investigative effort was run through Weinstein’s lawyers, including David Boies, a celebrated attorney who represented Al Gore in the 2000 Presidential-election dispute and argued for marriage equality before the U.S. Supreme Court. Boies personally signed the contract directing Black Cube to attempt to uncover information that would stop the publication of a Timesstory about Weinstein’s abuses, while his firm was also representing the Times, including in a libel case.

Boies confirmed that his firm contracted with and paid two of the agencies and that investigators from one of them sent him reports, which were then passed on to Weinstein. He said that he did not select the firms or direct the investigators’ work. He also denied that the work regarding the Times story represented a conflict of interest. Boies said that his firm’s involvement with the investigators was a mistake. “We should not have been contracting with and paying investigators that we did not select and direct,” he told me. “At the time, it seemed a reasonable accommodation for a client, but it was not thought through, and that was my mistake. It was a mistake at the time.”
 
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When we're talking sexual abuse and harassment, your standard of proof is suspicious. How do prove anything in a he said/she said or he said/he said situations. A lot of these guys don't use violence. It's like you saying when a black person accuses a white person of racism, you need a burning cross or video. Sorry fam, I'm always gonna lean on the side of the victim because the burden of proof always falls in the favor of the powerful.


when you say they don't use violence, can you explain?

If a woman comes over to a directors house for a "private screening" and he tries to make a move is that automatically sexual harrassment or is that being turned down in an attempt to netflix and chill?

if you give a woman a bit of wine that she accepts to relax her, is that different than offering her a pill to do the same thing (thinking about the Cosby fiasco)?

Not one to victim blame, but men are being puzzies right now (except Alec Baldwin) we all know what women do, we all know the game and how WE as men play it, and how women seemingly like for us to play "that" game. We also know they use sex to get what they want as well, a bit of quid-pro-quo and you're paying someone $100k that you accept? I'm mean what women accepts money for favors?
 

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Yeah, the latest story is insane, I guess to see it written, but you know that's how the elite wealthy operate. It all seems so absurd. Like, who is this poor woman, who is ex Israeli special forces, and is now posing as a women's rights activist to defend a rapist? All in the game, that's some Elizabeth from "The Americans" level of ruthlessness.
 

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Poster above my other post is fundamentally or intentionally not understanding the concept, and you sound like a rapist, or rape apologist. An innocent, consensual attempt will not be interpreted badly, if you haven't leveraged your power and influence, at a minimum, to initiate unreciprocated advances, than you are fine. That's what these guys are doing. It's not getting turned down from a kiss on a first date. It's luring an employee or subordinate somewhere vulnerable and pressuring them for sex. You are a few steps from rapist at that point, def. a predator, and that's what all this is about.

If I ask a women out, and she comes over afterwards, and so on and so on, we start kissing on the couch, that's consensual, level playing field for everyone.

If a woman invites me over to her house, and same thing, again, consensual.

If I ask an employee, or whatever to lunch, lure her to my hotel room under false or misleading circumstances, and try to kiss or grope her, that's sexual assault/sexual harassment, and rape in some cases.

Point is, if you are moving like a respectful, considerate person, who is also attracted to someone, perhaps very attracted, no one is going to be upset, much less alleging sexual misconduct or assault.
 
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Poster above my other post is fundamentally or intentionally not understanding the concept, and you sound like a rapist, or rape apologist. An innocent, consensual attempt will not be interpreted badly, if you haven't leveraged your power and influence, at a minimum, to initiate unreciprocated advances, than you are fine. That's what these guys are doing. It's not getting turned down from a kiss on a first date. It's luring an employee or subordinate somewhere vulnerable and pressuring them for sex. You are a few steps from rapist at that point, def. a predator, and that's what all this is about.

If I ask a women out, and she comes over afterwards, and so on and so on, we start kissing on the couch, that's consensual, level playing field for everyone.

If a woman invites me over to her house, and same thing, again, consensual.

If I ask an employee, or whatever to lunch, lure her to my hotel room under false or misleading circumstances, and try to kiss or grope her, that's sexual assault/sexual harassment, and rape in some cases.

Point is, if you are moving like a respectful, considerate person, who is also attracted to someone, perhaps very attracted, no one is going to be upset, much less alleging sexual misconduct or assault.


Plenty of women have stated that they sucked a dikk to get a role. Then complained they didn't get the role. Is it because he didn't hold up to the end of the bargain that it becomes sexual assault.

I disagree, of course you should be able to lure knuckleheaded women and entice them to have sex with you in any fashion and if they are gullible enough to do it for free then what are we complaining about? What's the issue here? Oh he used his power to get what he wanted sexually? Give me a break. it is quid-pro-quo - she thought she could get something out of it and probably did but feels bad about it years later.

Now if he did RAPE a woman, meaning physically assaulted then throw him in jail. If she's able minded, cognitive, and all he did was offer her a potential role then it's not rape nor sexual assault. You can bend the words all you want, you're falling victim to this feminist idealogy that women can do whatever they want and not have any rules placed on them, but men have to walk on eggshells for everything.

I mean how do you "lure" an employee to your hotel room? The only thing in the hotel is a bed, mini bar, and shower ...it's there for sex. Give me a fukkin break. Stay in the lobby, which is where business is typically conducted. Same thing with "Lure" a woman over to your house at night for a personal screening, it's hollywood "netflix and chill"

you act like these actresses were born yesterday, we all seen the slimeball c-rated movies of diretors taking advantage of actresses, it's literally the oldest trick in the book and these womeon didn't fall for it, they welcomed it. Now they feel some sort of way. Be honest breh, no need to name call.

Lastly, you avoided answereding any of the questions i raised and went into your generic talking points and "bible thumping gee-willickers and heaven to megatroid even" answers.
 
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