Handcuffed inmate beaten to death. What purpose we want prison to serve?

[Neuromancer]

I was talking to my cousin who turned 50 this year. He said when he was growing up people talked about prison as a place for rehabilitation. Idk if that was ever the plan or it was ever tried or effective. I think that should be the purpose of prisons but it doesn't seem to be or have ever been.

 

[Dzali OG]

I was talking to my cousin who turned 50 this year. He said when he was growing up people talked about prison as a place for rehabilitation. Idk if that was ever the plan or it was ever tried or effective. I think that should be the purpose of prisons but it doesn't seem to be or have ever been.
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Prison is straight, unfiltered, savagery! You can't rehabilitate someone for something they're still doing. Meaning someone who went to prison for hurting people is still hurting people.

I keep saying that some people need to be broken. You must re-break a bone that has grown crooked before you can put it straight.

 

[Dzali OG]

Prison does not deter. No one thinks about jail time and the likelihood of getting caught when they're committing a crime.

Prison could reform, but no one would pay for that these days. Imagine if the Nation of Islam ran a private prison.....directly in charge of rehabilitation. Aryan Nation Members welcome too.

But that's not gonna happen.

There are already plenty of Black Cops, POs and COs, and even wardens - but there isn't a black person alive that would seriously suggest that we get into the Private Prison game....

So what's left?

If Person A commits a violent crime, Prison should keep Person A, off the streets for X # of years.

• Beat someone up - 1 year
• Beat em real bad - 10 years
• R - word - 20 years
• Kill Someone- 20 years
• Kids involved - 30 years, in Gen Pop.

We don't want a violent person, a person with zero impulse control, roaming the streets, period, end of story.

In terms of property crime

• Steal something? - Item's Value/minimum wage = # days. (math could be altered, but roughly proportional)
  • maybe a 20 year cap for blue collar crime
• White Collar Crime - Rest of Your life.
• Corporate Crime - dissolve the corp, C-Suite goes to Jail based on the same metric as a blue collar person.

Excellent points, but the question is, what environment do you want them in while serving that time? Do you still want them walking around like "fukk the world, no one can't control me" even while in prison? Because those are the people that get the brakes beat off them.

 

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Yall marching if he being combative in prison and get beat to death?

People in charge shouldn't be handcuffing and beating people to death.

 

[Dzali OG]

People in charge shouldn't be handcuffing and beating people to death.

I agree they shouldn't beat them to death, but should they be allowed to serve any physical punishment?

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

Not crying over a POS who stabs pregnant woman and not crying over upstate racist cacs getting thrown in the slamma for killing him


It's a win win(if the cacs get a long prison sentence)

You're looking at it the wrong way. Robert Brooks was already being held accountable for his crime. He was already serving time. The responsibility of the state doesn't stop at incarceration, it extends to making sure EVERY inmate under their care is safe from harm. That means protecting them from violence at the hands of other inmates, law enforcement, and staff. The brutal assault that killed him wasn't justice, it was the system failing to uphold its own standards. And we shouldn't shrug our shoulders over that, even taking into account Brooks' horrific crime.

Further, multiple officers involved in his death had long, documented histories of violence against other inmates. They've even permanently disfigured and disabled some of their victims. Throwing your hands up in the air only lets the state get away with enabling this kind of behavior. Remember, they ignored all warning signs and past bad behavior and let them continue unchecked, which eventually lead to someone's death. That's not a "win win." It's an avoidable tragedy that further exposes a culture of brutality and impunity in our prison system.

I agree they shouldn't beat them to death, but should they be allowed to serve any physical punishment?

No. That's not their job. Their role is to maintain order and ensure safety, not to administer physical punishment.

 

[Methodical]

Once Trump won these MAGA devil cacs act out!

 

[010101]

you get caught they'll turn you into a hostage*

 

[WIA20XX]

Excellent points, but the question is, what environment do you want them in while serving that time?

The question

"What purpose we want prison to serve?

And I answered it. The purpose of prison is to put bad people away for a set amount of time to protect SOCIETY from those individuals.

If you got 10 rapists, 30 child molesters, 100 muggers, 5 murderers in prison - they won't be raping, molesting, and murdering people on the outside.

Do you still want them walking around like "fukk the world, no one can't control me" even while in prison? Because those are the people that get the brakes beat off them.

Do I want prisoners walking around on some "FTW, No One can Control me?"

I actualy don't think about controlling a prisoners thoughts.

I don't think it's possible to control thoughts
It's not possible to forbid someone's actions.

Society has never been able to forcibly rehabilitate anyone.

We can't make anyone good.
You can't make your kids behave.
You can't make your spouse faithful.
You can't make your employees give their all.
You can't make customers love your product.

It goes even further than that.

A lot of folks can't stop eating Twinkies, even though their diabetics. They can't even stop themselves.
We can't stop ourselves from engaging in a lot of harmful behavior, despite having all of the information and lots of alternatives....

With the criminals,

You can show them the upside and then show them the downside, but they still can do what they want.
Even Japan has crime.

As long as there are people, as long as there is a society, as long as there is freewill - we're gonna get a # of people that are gonna do what they want and don't care about the consequences. And we're always gonna need some type of mechanism to deal with them.

In terms of what to do with a convict that's trying to start something, that's really messing with COs - they're professionals.

• That's what they get paid to deal with.
• That's what they're trained for.
• That's what they're equipped for.
• They have a multi-billion dollar state apparatus and industrial complex behind them.

They're not trained to beat anyone to death, no matter how bad a convict is.

 

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I agree they shouldn't beat them to death, but should they be allowed to serve any physical punishment?

Only when they are directly in danger

 

[Dzali OG]

You're looking at it the wrong way. Robert Brooks was already being held accountable for his crime. He was already serving time. The responsibility of the state doesn't stop at incarceration, it extends to making sure EVERY inmate under their care is safe from harm. That means protecting them from violence at the hands of other inmates, law enforcement, and staff. The brutal assault that killed him wasn't justice, it was the system failing to uphold its own standards. And we shouldn't shrug our shoulders over that, even taking into account Brooks' horrific crime.

Further, multiple officers involved in his death had long, documented histories of violence against other inmates. They've even permanently disfigured and disabled some of their victims. Throwing your hands up in the air only lets the state get away with enabling this kind of behavior. Remember, they ignored all warning signs and past bad behavior and let them continue unchecked, which eventually lead to someone's death. That's not a "win win." It's an avoidable tragedy that further exposes a culture of brutality and impunity in our prison system.


No. That's not their job. Their role is to maintain order and ensure safety, not to administer physical punishment.

Do you know the dynamics of a typical shift at a typical prison? Theres maybe 30-80 officers for 1,000 to 1500 inmates. There's 1 or if you're lucky 2 officers in a dorm with 96 inmates. Usually one.

I'm sorry but the system is broken. From what you've heard of prison, do you think officers can keep themselves and other inmates safe?

Similar to the problem our schools are having, you can't maintain control over anyone you can't physically punish.

My class was the last class in 7th grade teachers were allowed to issue corporal punishment. School changed when students could tell teachers you can't put your hands on me. And strangely, that's the dame thing inmates say lol. Spit in an officers face then yell you can't touch me.

To maintain order and safety...every inmate would need to be locked in a one man cell 24 hours a day. Would you be fine with that?

 

[Dzali OG]

The question

"What purpose we want prison to serve?

And I answered it. The purpose of prison is to put bad people away for a set amount of time to protect SOCIETY from those individuals.

If you got 10 rapists, 30 child molesters, 100 muggers, 5 murderers in prison - they won't be raping, molesting, and murdering people on the outside.



Do I want prisoners walking around on some "FTW, No One can Control me?"

I actualy don't think about controlling a prisoners thoughts.

I don't think it's possible to control thoughts
It's not possible to forbid someone's actions.

Society has never been able to forcibly rehabilitate anyone.

We can't make anyone good.
You can't make your kids behave.
You can't make your spouse faithful.
You can't make your employees give their all.
You can't make customers love your product.

It goes even further than that.

A lot of folks can't stop eating Twinkies, even though their diabetics. They can't even stop themselves.
We can't stop ourselves from engaging in a lot of harmful behavior, despite having all of the information and lots of alternatives....

With the criminals,

You can show them the upside and then show them the downside, but they still can do what they want.
Even Japan has crime.

As long as there are people, as long as there is a society, as long as there is freewill - we're gonna get a # of people that are gonna do what they want and don't care about the consequences. And we're always gonna need some type of mechanism to deal with them.

In terms of what to do with a convict that's trying to start something, that's really messing with COs - they're professionals.

• That's what they get paid to deal with.
• That's what they're trained for.
• That's what they're equipped for.
• They have a multi-billion dollar state apparatus and industrial complex behind them.

They're not trained to beat anyone to death, no matter how bad a convict is.

Ok we should lock them in a prison, keep the officers on the perimeter, and let inmates do what they want, until their times up? Officers wouldn't object to this.

But it's similar to me keeping someone's child: i don't keep any child who's ass i can't whip. They won't respect you. But I won't beat em to death though lol.

 

[WIA20XX]

But it's similar to me keeping someone's child: i don't keep any child who's ass i can't whip. They won't respect you. But I won't beat em to death though lol.

The convicts have probably seen worse violence outside of prison (if not commited it themselves)

What can a show of force/or the pain inflicted really do to someone that's no longer afraid of authority?

One of the problems in our society, but specifically in the "justice" system, is all these cats trying to "out alpha" each other.
Trying to be tough.

Everybody trying to get respect....

It doesn't work. It doesn't prevent. It only just escalates the level of violence.

 

[ThrobbingHood]

Saudi Arabia treats criminals horrifically. Guess what? They treat their citizens like shyt too.

Iran treats criminals horrifically. Guess what? They treat their citizens like shyt too.

There's a pattern here. Treating criminals with respect doesn't mean you can't send them away for life. The deprivation of liberty is a horrible curse already.

Fyodor Dostoyevsky — 'A society should be judged not by how it treats its outstanding citizens but by how it treats its criminals.'

Norway and their prison system looks like a holiday resort.

 

[Dzali OG]

The convicts have probably seen worse violence outside of prison (if not commited it themselves)

What can a show of force/or the pain inflicted really do to someone that's no longer afraid of authority?

One of the problems in our society, but specifically in the "justice" system, is all these cats trying to "out alpha" each other.
Trying to be tough.

Everybody trying to get respect....

It doesn't work. It doesn't prevent. It only just escalates the level of violence.

But see that's the point, they're not afraid of authority because, for many of them authority never had any teeth. Never had the ability to discipline them.

They didn't have a daddy to back momma up. They didn't go to school when the Dean could spank them. They didn't grow up in a community where a neighbor would whip you.

They grew up in a time where discipline is go to your room, or a good cussing, or suspension, etc. These men were never really shown authority. Authority that has consequence.

Even inmates will tell you that inmates are different now. The older inmates hate these younger inmates. Because they're not "convicts" in prison lingo. They have no discipline or respect of authority. Older inmates who've been in since the 90s were bigger and more dangerous...but getting their teeth knocked out and stomped out by officers turned them into respectfully human beings.

They were broken!

You had no choice but to break or die before the cameras in prison and the politicians started coddling the inmates. Your uncles who came home from prison knew how to act.