Haitian Appreciation Thread
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I'll give you my take.I'm interested in hearing your take
But first I just wanna make sure some of the younger brehs here who have never lived in Haiti or weren't even alive during the Duvalier regime UNDERSTAND the Duvalier regimeS (treat Francois and Jean-Claude's regimes separate) and how they impacted Haiti (the bad and the good).
Too many people just listen to American media and uneducated sources when it comes to judging dictators like Duvalier and Castro
Yes I know they treat it different. But the vibe I get from the older haitian brehs is that his crimes were always on the hush hush. And he wasn't really built for it like Francois, he was moreso following the legacy. (Which one can say made the situation prime for revolt)
But a recurring theme of that era is that it was very safe. Money on the floor, doors unlocked safe. (Unless you were in politics
)I was born and raised during the aftermath up until the rise of Lavalas
I was born while he was president and was very young when he left (7 i think). But my dad was a contractor for the Haitian military (FAD'H) so he always spoke of Jean-Claude around me with his other "connected" friends.Yes I know they treat it different. But the vibe I get from the older haitian brehs is that his crimes were always on the hush hush. And he wasn't really built for it like Francois, he was moreso following the legacy. (Which one can say made the situation prime for revolt)
But a recurring theme of that era is that it was very safe. Money on the floor, doors unlocked safe. (Unless you were in politics
I was born and raised during the aftermath up until the rise of Lavalas
Jean-Claude was a 19 year old idiot kid who inherited the executive office of a country that was on the brink of major development. Francois did all the ground work of kicking and keeping all the super powers out of Haiti's business so Haitian could dictate their own destinies unlike some of the other caribbean nations. He kickstarted the development of the country, built Peligre and other major infrastructure needs while still keeping the country at ZERO (0) debt.
However Francois knew that with all the enemies (foreign and domestic) the regime had there is no way a 19 year old kid could stay in power without major backing from someone with major power. He surrounded Jean-Claude with all his loyal henchmen but he knew that wouldn't be enough. In comes renewed relations with the United States. Along with their support Jean-CLaude would be able to crush all opposition. But along with these new relations came new projects and big loans and influence and also shakedowns (look up Haitian Pig Irradication and others) that benefited U.S. contractors at the detriment of local industries.
Where Jean-Claude (who was just a little more than a figure head) really failed is that he was still a kid. Lot of shyt were his doing but just as much were out of his control. He ignored the advices of some of those loyal to his father as he grew and acquired new "friends" who may or may not have been in the pockets of foreign forces. He also stole a lot of the money that was being flooded into the country with al these new loans and projects. He, his friends took a lot of the money before and as they fled.
I'm happy the f@ggot is dead but i wanted him to be put through a trial for some of the sh!t that went down.
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LeVraiPapi
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interesting.
Question, do you believe the work of Papa Doc helped haiti?
Cauase one of the major issues ffrom Haitis inception was the forced isolation and in the reign of Papa Doc, while I agree with some of his philosophies it seems like he was driving the country towards isolation.
Good Summary, I've always heard about them when my parents talk about the regime when I was younger.
THe way my father says is is this:
Papa Doc did a lot of good in Haiti. Accomplished a lot from the time he took over from the Fignolé regime until his death. He was a firm believer in the saying "Sé grès kochon an ki pou kwit li" (you cook the pork with its own fat grease) which is why he made sure to remove foreign influences from Haitian affairs because he, like Castro, felt that small countries should be able to run themselves and not just be puppets for the super powers. He kicked foreign ambassadors (U.S., British, others) out of the country because he knew their sole purpose in Haiti was to make it their new Cuba.
What you consider "isolation" was more geared towards self empowerment. Haiti was a major exporter of sugar cane, pite (forgo the english word for this), cacao and pork under his regime. Again, look up the pig irradiation that happened under JC. That would have never happened under Francois because he's no clown and wouldn't allow no U.S. specialist to come in and tell him to destroy his crop just to buy its replacement from the person telling him to do it.
However none of the things he accomplished and his vision condones the brutal/vicious dictator that he was. He killed anything that got on his way
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Yo shout out to @Soundbwoy . I had a lot of zouk and zouk-retro joints butt them zouk-love joints he uploaded are hot fiya. Went to a beach party in Destin, FL this past weekend (Me and some friends rented a 5bdr house of the beach for 4 days) and we were jamming. People were loving them joints and mind you i was the only haitian.
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as soon I get some time ill continue to upload joints
Oh and another thing.Yes I know they treat it different. But the vibe I get from the older haitian brehs is that his crimes were always on the hush hush. And he wasn't really built for it like Francois, he was moreso following the legacy. (Which one can say made the situation prime for revolt)
But a recurring theme of that era is that it was very safe. Money on the floor, doors unlocked safe. (Unless you were in politics
I was born and raised during the aftermath up until the rise of Lavalas
Isolation can be a good thing if managed properly. China is the perfect example. They were said to be in "isolation" by the international/western community for the better part of 60's, 70's and 80's.
Who do you think has now been buying a lot of the world's wealth and has a booming economy these days?
Every company wants to do business and have access to the chinese markets to sell their products not. Chinese companies are all over the world winning big contracts in developmental countries (Have you been to Haiti or Costa Rica lately? Plenty of chinese there). So don't let the western powers cloud your view of what other countries are doing to control their own destinies , breh. Long Live Castro and R.I.P. to Chavez. I'm happy Haiti named the Cap-Haitien airport after Chavez. If only we could name the one being built in Aux-Cayes after Castro or El Che 
Again, who won in that isolation?
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Danb brehs, Emeline donr got thick the last 3-5 years She was always fine as fukk but more on the skinny model side of things. It seems like putting on that extra weight put her on 
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I meant fluently if that changes your answer. The estimates I find about French in Haiti range from 5% to 40% so i wasnt sure.