Guns, Germs, and Steel

[Ikwa]

that "trading" included the massive enslavement of africans from the inland

if what you say is true then i believe the somali's behavior would be referred to as "c00ning" in HL

and "Latin" script is just european script aka CAC script

That's not what we're discussing. You said that we were conquered by Arabs but couldn't back your claim.

You also said that we didn't have our own language or ships and once again couldn't back that up.

 

[theworldismine13]

WHAT THE fukk?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?


Nsbidi

Tifanagh
Ancient Tifinagh inscription on a rock in Essouk, Mali (c. 200 BC

Vai

Vai engravings on metalwork

Sabaean

People are actually entertaining this fool

case closed, Idk where the fukk hes getting the info to make these baseless statements

ok, lets do a background check real quick


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tifinagh

Tifinagh may have descended from a script sometimes named the Libyan (libyque) or Libyco-Berber script although the descent is unclear and uncertain.[4] This was widely used by speakers of Berber languages all across North Africa and on the Canary Islands. It is attested from the 3rd century BC to the 3rd century AD. Its origin is uncertain, with some scholars suggesting it is related to the Punic alphabet or the Phoenician alphabet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vai_syllabary

The Vai syllabary is a syllabic writing system devised for the Vai language by Momolu Duwalu Bukele of Jondu, in what is now Grand Cape Mount County, Liberia.[1] [2] Bukele is regarded within the Vai community, as well as by most scholars, as the syllabary's inventor and chief promoter when it was first documented in the 1830s. It is one of the two most successful indigenous scripts in West Africa.[3]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabaeans

The Sabaeans or Sabeans (Arabic: السبأيون‎ as-Saba’iyūn) (Hebrew: סבא‎) were an ancient people speaking an Old South Arabian language who lived in what is today Yemen, in the south west of the Arabian Peninsula.[1]

so none of what you posted changes the fact that west africa had no written languages

 

[theworldismine13]

That's not what we're discussing. You said that we were conquered by Arabs but couldn't back your claim.

You also said that we didn't have our own language or ships and once again couldn't back that up.

my bad, i was just referring to the isalmic jihad that conquered north africa and parts of east africa, my bad for including somalia, apparently yall had an "arrangement" with them

i was talking about written languages

if the ships and ports were used for the trading of black slaves to india and arabia as most ships and ports in east africa were, that would just bolster my point, since my point is to explain why slavery happened and how we black people ended up as victims of it

 

[WaveGang]

ok, lets do a background check real quick


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tifinagh



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vai_syllabary

The Vai syllabary is a syllabic writing system devised for the Vai language by Momolu Duwalu Bukele of Jondu, in what is now Grand Cape Mount County, Liberia.[1] [2] Bukele is regarded within the Vai community, as well as by most scholars, as the syllabary's inventor and chief promoter when it was first documented in the 1830s. It is one of the two most successful indigenous scripts in West Africa.[3]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabaeans



so none of what you posted changes the fact that west africa had no written languages

lol gotta love the wikipedia historians


i guess we missed the part where Mali was in North Africa (reference to the pic in my previous post)

Contrary to popular belief, Vai is not a wholly unique script invented circa 1830 by a West African whose friends helped him remember a dream. Evidence of its antiquity comes from inscriptions from Goundaka, Mali that date to 3000 BC.

yep the alledged inventor of Vai, Momolu Duwalu Bukele is supposed to have had the whole language revealed to him in a dream

the oldest examples of the "Sabaean" script are inscriptions at the Temple of Yeha in modern-day Ethiopia, which local historians generally date to 700 BC.

Old Ethiopic inscription at the Temple of Yeha

just stop posting

 

[theworldismine13]

lol gotta love the wikipedia historians


i guess we missed the part where Mali was in North Africa (reference to the pic in my previous post)

Contrary to popular belief, Vai is not a wholly unique script invented circa 1830 by a West African whose friends helped him remember a dream. Evidence of its antiquity comes from inscriptions from Goundaka, Mali that date to 3000 BC.

yep the alledged inventor of Vai, Momolu Duwalu Bukele is supposed to have had the whole language revealed to him in a dream

the oldest examples of the "Sabaean" script are inscriptions at the Temple of Yeha in modern-day Ethiopia, which local historians generally date to 700 BC.

Old Ethiopic inscription at the Temple of Yeha

just stop posting

Ethiopia is not in west africa

lol to "contrary to popular belief", there is no evidence of Vai being widely used and more importantly it wasnt used to store and convey technical and scientific information, which was very important in the development of technology

but you should post the link to how vai is linked to mali in 3000 BC, that would be interesting

 

[theworldismine13]

the problem with all these protestations is that all they are is a little security blanket, a little teddy bear to avoid confronting the defeat of the black man by europeans

these little corny theories arent going to change the basic facts of defeat, the only reason why i am blunt about it is that i think the way to victory is to analyze the defeat

for example if you dont realize that guns were instrumental in the defeat you probably wont make the next logical leap that you need to develop or gain your own guns

 

[Ikwa]

my bad, i was just referring to the isalmic jihad that conquered north africa and parts of east africa, my bad for including somalia, apparently yall had an "arrangement" with them

i was talking about written languages

if the ships and ports were used for the trading of black slaves to india and arabia as most ships and ports in east africa were, that would just bolster my point, since my point is to explain why slavery happened and how we black people ended up as victims of it

Breh, not to be rude but you got your history wrong. The only place where Islam was introduced through conquest in Africa was North Africa, and even then that area was taken from byzantine cacs. Afterwards the local Berber population voluntarily converted to Islam after witnessing the just administration carried out by the leadership.

As for East, Central and West Africa, Islam was introduced through trade. I don't know where you got the impression that there was some type of conquest or forced conversion (unlike Christianity). Furthermore you had Kings in West Africa converting to Islam which only encouraged the population to follow suit.

Don't believe what these hating cacs tell you, do you know that it was West and North African muslims who teamed up that conquered Spain? Islam reached the far east. Look at Indonesia, the country with the largest Muslim population in the world. Was there a conquest that happened there? Nope, the honesty and good manners showed by Muslim traders did the trick.

 

[theworldismine13]

Breh, not to be rude but you got your history wrong. The only place where Islam was introduced through conquest in Africa was North Africa, and even then that area was taken from byzantine cacs. Afterwards the local Berber population voluntarily converted to Islam after witnessing the just administration carried out by the leadership.

As for East, Central and West Africa, Islam was introduced through trade. I don't know where you got the impression that there was some type of conquest or forced conversion (unlike Christianity). Furthermore you had Kings in West Africa converting to Islam which only encouraged the population to follow suit.

Don't believe what these hating cacs tell you, do you know that it was West and North African muslims who teamed up that conquered Spain? Islam reached the far east. Look at Indonesia, the country with the largest Muslim population in the world. Was there a conquest that happened there? Nope, the honesty and good manners showed by Muslim traders did the trick.

spare me your islamic propaganda, breh

the only thing that compares to european slavery and western imperialism in africa is islamic slavery and islamic imperialism, anybody telling you differently is lying to you

all those ships in east africa you are talking about where filled with black slaves taken to arabia were black men were castrated and black women were used as sex slaves

 

[Ikwa]

spare me your islamic propaganda, breh

the only thing that compares to european slavery and western imperialism in africa is islamic slavery and islamic imperialism, anybody telling you differently is lying to you

all those ships in east africa you are talking about where filled with black slaves taken to arabia were black men were castrated and black women were used as sex slaves

Don't be mad cos you got schooled, that's what happens when yo try to act smart on a subject you're clueless. Once again, show me where a Muslim conquest took place in Africa (bar NA). If you can't do that then leave the thread and don't ever talk about the subject

 

[theworldismine13]

Don't be mad cos you got schooled, that's what happens when yo try to act smart on a subject you're clueless. Once again, show me where a Muslim conquest took place in Africa (bar NA). If you can't do that then leave the thread and don't ever talk about the subject

i didnt get schooled at all, this whole islam spread peacefully thing has been thoroughly debunked a million times, im loling that you think you are dropping knowledge by spreading a well known lie

but lets look at what you have shown about somalians

1) they participated in the arabic slave trade
2) they had a special arrangement with arabs
3) their written language is in arabic and latin

so you have shown that somalians were the original c00ns




http://www.stjohnscolumbia.org/somalibantu/history.htm

The Somali Bantu are descended from six African tribes originally living in what are now Tanzania, Mozambique and Malawi. In the 1700's and 1800's Arab slave traders armed with muskets and whips plundered these regions. They captured untold numbers of men, women, and children to be sold on the Zanzibar slave market and shipped to the Persian Gulf and the Middle East. The enslavement of some Somali Bantu continued into the 1930's. Since Muslims are prohibited from owning Muslims as slaves, many Bantu converted to Islam to free themselves from slavery. Others also adopted Islam. Many Bantu Muslims still retain the animist beliefs of their pre-Somali past such as the use of magic, curses, and possession dances.

The real reasons Somalis were never slaves.
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/somalia/T8FATJ6PEMO3K0PDG

With all due respect to Somalis, I'm tired of this nonsense mentality some posters here have where they insult my people for being slaves and try to claim that the reason they were never slaves is because they were strong, fierce and united. It's time someone was honest about this and that person will have to be me. So, the real reasons Somalis were never slaves are simple.

a) Location. Somalis seem to forget that slavery was an actual business. It did not start out with racism. There were white slaves in North America and native slaves too. With that in mind, what sensible business man would travel to Somalia, bring slaves across the African continent to the west coast of Africa and them ship them to the West. That would be a waste of food, water, energy and other resources. There is a reason why the vast majority of slaves in the Americans came from African nations whose coast touched the Atlantic ocean. It made the most business sense.

b) Religion: Some might say that Somalis were never enslaved by Arabs. The reason for this is religion. Somalis were some of the first Africans to be exposed to and convert to Islam because of how close they were to Arab nations. In Islam, a muslim cannot enslave another muslim. Instead, Somalia allied with other muslim nations, particularly against other Africans. Somalis helped transport black African slaves (who were obviously not muslims) into the Arab world.

Now, people are going to try and keep the strong Somali myth going but take a look at history. During the time of the transatlantic slave trade, what war was Somalia fighting against Europeans to stop from being taken as slaves? None. What major was was Somalia fighting against the Arabs to stop from being taken as slaves ? None. They didn't fight their way out of slavery. No one tried to make them slaves to begin with. They were allies with Arab nations and Europeans did not take an interest in Somalia until the late 1800s, after slavery was over. Like I said, it's about time somebody dropped some honesty around here. You can thank me later.

 

[Ikwa]

i didnt get schooled at all, this whole islam spread peacefully thing has been thoroughly debunked a million times, im loling that you think you are dropping knowledge by spreading a well known lie

but lets look at what you have shown about somalians

1) they participated in the arabic slave trade
2) they had a special arrangement with arabs
3) their written language is in arabic and latin

so you have shown that somalians were the original c00ns

Where's that proof? Are you gonna provide some bogus links like you did earlier? Even western sources acknowledge what I've just written but you must know better

1) Slavery happened everywhere at that time. The word itself came from the Easter European Slav people who were getting enslaved by other tribes/nations. Fact is if you lose a war you get enslaved, it ain't my fault my ancestors were GOAT warriors

2) We were ally businessmen, don't hate on our natural entrepreneurial background. Besides Arabs were smart enough not to try anything with us, tables would have turned quick

3) nikka your reading skills must be terrible, I've already told you that the Somali language is not written in Arabic. But many of us can write & speak it, if you think multi lingual skills is a bad thing then I can't take you serious :mjkkk:

Now outta here and get your tribe's war skills up if you don't want to get got :mjkkk:

 

[theworldismine13]

Where's that proof? Are you gonna provide some bogus links like you did earlier? Even western sources acknowledge what I've just written but you must know better

1) Slavery happened everywhere at that time. The word itself came from the Easter European Slav people who were getting enslaved by other tribes/nations. Fact is if you lose a war you get enslaved, it ain't my fault my ancestors were GOAT warriors

2) We were ally businessmen, don't hate on our natural entrepreneurial background. Besides Arabs were smart enough not to try anything with us, tables would have turned quick

3) nikka your reading skills must be terrible, I've already told you that the Somali language is not written in Arabic. But many of us can write & speak it, if you think multi lingual skills is a bad thing then I can't take you serious :mjkkk:

Now outta here and get your tribe's war skills up if you don't want to get got :mjkkk:

breh i think you need to take a break and really think about your life, i dont even like to use the word c00n, but this post is quite c00nish, you need to think before you continue posting c00nish shyt, im gonna let this one slide

 

[surv2syn]

read the book. Probably might change your life. Had a profound effect on me in 10th grade.

how so?

 

[Ikwa]

breh i think you need to take a break and really think about your life, i dont even like to use the word c00n, but this post is quite c00nish, you need to think before you continue posting c00nish shyt, im gonna let this one slide

Try to act smart only to get schooled before attempting a low key exit brehs

 

[theworldismine13]

Try to act smart only to get schooled before attempting a low key exit brehs

i honestly did not know that somalians had a 1000 year history of c00ning till today

im just at your boldness and thinking you are winning by admitting that your people joined with arabs to enslave black africans