Grim History Traced in Sunken Slave Ship Found Off South Africa

[Swagnificent]

Honestly, to answer that question you have to know the origins of man. A lot of people like to say Africans breed the world but every culture seems to have their own explanation of how they came about. The out of Africa theory which is the basin of Pan-Africa was created by Mr. Eugenics, Charles Darwin. If you believe everybody came from Africa you also have to believe you evolved from an Ape, and it can also be implied whites are the most evolved by this same idea. Also if you pay attention, EVERYwhere has an "indigenous" negroid population.

don't forget russia, pakistan, iran, and iraq. all have native black populations.

but then again, these cacs want us to believe that every black population outside of africa ended up there because of slavery.

 

[Swagnificent]

Nice painting

"Amerika"
by Johann Wolfgang Baumgartner, 1754

California is also named after a mythical BLACK queen. http://www.africanamerica.org/topic/california-named-after-black-queen

 

[Swagnificent]

YOOOO THIS IS CRAZY! TELL ME MORE ABOUT THIS

read this book.




one of the seminal works in this field. puts together all the evidence. from the acheological like the Olmec statutes. to the written history from europeans who write about black native populations in the americas. to WEST AFRICAN oral traditions talking about kings who led sailing expeditions toward the Americas. to scientific evidence of plants found in south america that could only have come from west africa and could only be transported by humans.

Dr. Van Sertima lays out a compelling case that there were lots of black folks in the Americas before slavery. and that West Africans had been exploring the continent centuries before europeans even knew the continent existed.

 

[Primetime21]

I think you're missing the point. The argument isn't that blacks in the new world are unrelated to africans. but rather that many are descended from africans that SAILED to the new world rather than being brought as slaves. there are oral traditions in Mali about the brother of the great king Mansa Musa sailing west toward a foreign landmass with hundreds of ships and thousands of people. this Mali expedition never returned home.

noted scholars like Ivan Van Sertima believe these west african expeditions to the new world resulted in pre-columbian BLACK COLONIES in the new world that predate any slaves.

All these postings stemmed from a post (that was cosigned by Blessup) in another thread that said Blacks in the Americas are not Africans and descend from an aboriginal Black group native to the Americas. No one in here denied that Africans had been in the Americas prior to Europeans

 

[Blessup]

California is also named after a mythical BLACK queen. http://www.africanamerica.org/topic/california-named-after-black-queen

Props! Rafinesque described Black Californians as " dark brown large thick lips, flat noses, very ugly, with hair crisped or curly. "


Source:

"The primitive black Nations of America"
Constantine Rafinesque,
Atlantic Journal and Friend Knowledge, Philadelphia, 1832/1833

Descriptions of indigenous negroes known to Rafinesque, in Brazil, Guyana, Venezuela, California, etc.

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[Swagnificent]

I don't know what to believe... but damn it does make sense
because you know white people have a history of rewriting history...

the case for an african presence in the americas BEFORE columbus is overwhelming. no one is saying the slave trade didn't happen. but to say there was no pre-columbus presence of black folks in the americas is simply a lie.

we got the archelogical evidence (i.e. the Olmecs). we got the oral and written accounts from both europeans and africans (read Ivan Van Sertima's book). and we have the plant evidence (native west africans plants that found their way to the americas).

don't believe the lies of white history. black people colonized the entire globe WAY BEFORE everyone else. there are indigenous black population on all contients. the americas were no different.

 

[Blessup]

How come your DNA comes back as overwhelmingly African when you do autosomal DNA tests, and how come Caribbeans have a lot of African elements to language/dialects (Patois, Creole and in America, Gullah), and African instruments like the marimba, congas, bongos, banjo etc. as well as the actual musical styles/structures/features/dance. Yoruba religion, vodoo/voodun all that shyt too.

You're racially recent African, brehs. The natives are still around and don't look anything like us.

You keep asking the same question. I already said that "SOME WEST AFRICAN SLAVES CAME WITH EUROPEANS."

These west African Slaves mixed with Black Slaves already living in the Americas. Thats why you have some patios, etc. Also even in the carribbean Voodoo is NOT as widespread as it's made out to be. I'm jamaican and "Obeah" is not a widespread practice. A very very small population of Jamaicans practice; it. Most Jamaicans scorn that practice.

Even in Jamaican there are different groups of black people. For example Queen Nanny of the Maroons KNEW she came from africa. Why didn't other slaves know that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanny_of_the_Maroons
It specifically states:
The Maroons are descendants of imported West Africans who fled the oppressive experience of slavery on plantations and formed their own communities in the rugged, hilly interior of the island. They were considered skilled fighters and hard to defeat. Under Spanish rule, up to the 1650s, slaves escaped and intermarried with the native islanders, Arawaks, in their communities on the west of the island. Later, when the British assumed control of the colony, more slaves were able to escape from plantations to join the two main bands of Maroons in Jamaica: Windward and Leeward Maroons, headed respectively by Nanny of the Maroons and Captain Cudjoe.

The Maroons mainly consisted of people from theAshanti region of Ghana. However, a minority of slaves originating from other regions of West Africa joined the Maroons in their escapes. For over 150 years, the Maroons helped to free slaves from the plantations whilst they damaged land and property belonging to the plantation owners.

 

[Swagnificent]

Exactly. Also the BBC documentary clearly shows the indian looking "native americans" arriving in the americas after black people and trying to kill shortly after arriving.

I saw the same documentary. the scientists were surpised when they found fossils of the earliest humans in the americas (10,000 years ago) and found they did not look like the modern native americans. instead their bones and facial morphology was similar to the aborgines in Australia (a native black population). thus some are now theorizing there were two early waves of humans into the americas. the first was by sea from the pacific by early black aborgines. and then later across the bering straight with the more familiar asian native americans.

there was also later migrations of west africans into the americas in the last 2000 years. so what we have is 2 different black groups coming to the americas at 2 different times. one was the ancient black population that colonized all the islands across the pacific ocean (i.e. the aborgines in austrilia and papau new guinea). about 10,000 years ago this black group made it to south america. later you had a second wave of black people coming to the americas. spearheaded by west african nations like Mali.

 

[Swagnificent]

They look like SE Asia with aquiline features and wavy hair. We look Igbo.

And Natives get dark, breh.

come on man. stop trippin. the natives of the pacific islands like vanautu look 100% black. they'd fit right into any black community in the carribean or america.

 

[Poitier]

come on man. stop trippin. the natives of the pacific islands like vanautu look 100% black. they'd fit right into any black community in the carribean or america.

They left Africa 30,000 years ago. They are not Black to me.

Even if you call them Black, AAs and Caribbean don't have the hair types, eye colors or aquiline features to come from them.

Melanesians look more like East Africans than West Africans.

 

[Blessup]

Its come out more and more smh:

The Maroons are descendants of imported West Africans who fled the oppressive experience of slavery on plantations and formed their own communities in the rugged, hilly interior of the island. They were considered skilled fighters and hard to defeat. Under Spanish rule, up to the 1650s, slaves escaped and intermarried with the native islanders, Arawaks, in their communities on the west of the island. Later, when the British assumed control of the colony, more slaves were able to escape from plantations to join the two main bands of Maroons in Jamaica: Windward and Leeward Maroons, headed respectively by Nanny of the Maroons and Captain Cudjoe.

The Maroons mainly consisted of people from the Ashanti region of Ghana. However, a minority of slaves originating from other regions of West Africa joined the Maroons in their escapes. For over 150 years, the Maroons helped to free slaves from the plantations whilst they damaged land and property belonging to the plantation owners.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanny_of_the_Maroons

This is exactly what i'm talking about. The maroons were slaves brought from West Africa. They knew they were from the Ashanti people. It clearly said they escaped and intermarried with the NATIVE ISLANDERS. These native islanders were BLACK PEOPLE.

Maroons are still isolated people to this day in Jamaica. These africans brought voodoo and african languange with them. Understand NO evidence of Arawaks being indian exist. No Dna samples, no bone fragments, NOTHING. Maroons today are 100 percent BLACK people living in isolation.

 

[Swagnificent]

Breh, its like these idiot can't grasp that the Blacks who left are now Whites and Asians

how can that be the case when we still have native black populations in asia and the pacific? you still have native black populations in india, pakistan, iran, iraq, russia, and not to mention all the pacific (from the phillipines to the solomon islands). but lemme guess, these are descended from slaves? huh?

whites and asians are mongrels descended from non-human neaderthals. the only pure homosapiens are STILL black. even in asia and the pacific.

 

[Poitier]

how can that be the case when we still have native black populations in asia and the pacific? and not to mention all the pacific (from the phillipines to the solomon islands).

you mean Asians

you still have native black populations in india, pakistan, iran, iraq, russia, but lemme guess, these are descended from slaves? huh?

traders, sailors, immigrants, warriors, slaves

you still have native black populations in russia

Most Africans there came for schooling

 

[Swagnificent]

Southeast Asians populated The Americas and live in tropic zones

if these "southeast asians" you keep talking about look like this.



just say BLACK and stop playing these word games.

 

[Poitier]

if these "southeast asians" you keep talking about look like this.



just say BLACK and stop playing these word games.

Those are Asians they have no ties to Africa and haven't for 30,000 years